Service disruptions during Jazz strike

[teacher]

Many of us came to Jazz KNOWING the contract was coming due and EXPECTING it to get better.

[Redwine]

Ahh, yes. The EPA strike, I still to this day remember the names of the scabs who crossed the picket lines....

[eightzeroummmseven]

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[mbav8r]

UMMM NO, when Jazz couldn't attract experience, they came up with the college program. Gonna tell those college grads, that they should refuse the job so more experienced pilots can make a statement about wages. In my experience, it is always better to effect change from within, instead of standing on the sidelines hoping it changes. Refusing low paying jobs only delays the company from hiring, they will always find someone. I preferred the, make myself a valuable commodity and then negotiate a raise method.

[Localizer]

But asking people to risk their 6 figures to support you by turning down flights isn't really fair.

So where do you work or atleast what do you fly? You seem prepared to do some flying on behalf of Jazz .. so i'd like to know who (besides Jazz) pays 6 figures at this level ..

It would be the perfect time to let everyone know how bad it is.

Who said its bad?? .. We are saying that it could be, and should be better ..

[dream_big]

I'm sorry I just have no time for people who took a very low paying job with the expectation to demand higher pay shortly after.

WHAT? what can kind of mindless comment is that? First off, 50-60% of the people at jazz have been at the company for 20-40 years. So yea saying that they came to jazz (or regional carriers I should say), only to SHORTLY after demand a raise is completely wrong! THEY have BEEN here for years now, they have put in the efforts to the success of the company, and THEY are demanding not a raise but their demanding what's rightfully theirs (and incase you still don't know that would be all the money they lost in the CCAA). So don't sit there and judge too quickly!

And if you talk to all the jazz pilots out there, their pay would be A LOT higher right now if it wasn't for the CCAA. So really, their not even asking for where the pay scale should be, no their just asking back what they were suppose to get in 2004. and yet their still probably 4-5 years behind what they would of had.

My hats off to all the jazz pilots negotiating!

[Glen Quagmire]

The Jun 12 Embraer Jepp amendment has YQT, YQB, ATL, MSP, RDU and DFW in it.

[eightzeroummmseven]

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[Inverted2]

Idiot.

[habs]

What are you 14 years old or something? What a douche.

[Localizer]

What are you 14 years old or something? What a douche.

I wouldn't waste my time responding to him anymore. He joined on June 10 and has 18 post ... smells like another corporate rat is in the room.

[dream_big]

Hahahaha man this guy is funny! I would ask if someone pi$$ed in your cornflakes but from the sounds of things someone DEFINITELY took a huge STEAMING poop in yours!

Hahaha not only are you wrong on some many levels, your argument is quite pathetic. I'm not gonna sit here and argue with your lack of intelligence anymore. Only thing I will say is a huge chunk of the captain's here turned down AC when they were offered a job! So yea, your wrong again!

ADIOS! I'm outta of this thread. I don't have time for stupidity either!

[RVR6000]

50-60% of the people at jazz have been at the company for 20-40 years.

Wow, did any of them make Captain yet?

Seriously though, few if anyone goes to Jazz for their whole career on purpose. They go for:

1. To get shiny jet time for West Jet, Air Canada, or other lifer jobs.
2. They or more likely their partner wants to live in an urban center.
3. To wear a big hat and tell your friends you're an airline pilot.

807 looks like a Wasaya hawker in your avatar, aren't you part of ALPA?? Show some respect.

[Jaques Strappe]

The Jun 12 Embraer Jepp amendment has YQT, YQB, ATL, MSP, RDU and DFW in it.

All places I used to fly the DC9 into.

[babybus]

The Jun 12 Embraer Jepp amendment has YQT, YQB, ATL, MSP, RDU and DFW in it.

All places I used to fly the DC9 into.

I flew the DC-9 and the 320 into these places (except RDU....I only did this one onthe 9 and the CRJ.)

[mbav8r]

The Jun 12 Embraer Jepp amendment has YQT, YQB, ATL, MSP, RDU and DFW in it.

All places I used to fly the DC9 into.

I flew the DC-9 and the 320 into these places (except RDU....I only did this one onthe 9 and the CRJ.)

So Babybus and Jaques Strappe, what is it you're trying to say? It's hard to tell with written word, so I'm curious, is there a tone of resentment in there. It reads like, I used to fly to those places but then Jazz stole that flying from us. Or am I being too sensitive? Or are you looking forward to going there again if we walk?

[yycflyguy]

So Babybus and Jaques Strappe, what is it you're trying to say? It's hard to tell with written word, so I'm curious, is there a tone of resentment in there. It reads like, I used to fly to those places but then Jazz stole that flying from us. Or am I being too sensitive? Or are you looking forward to going there again if we walk?

Yup, too sensitive. Nothing wrong with a walk down memory lane but all routes are owned by Air Canada, not Jazz.

Looks like your FAs will walk before the pilots as they are not happy with being left out of the negotiating party.

[Localizer]

Yup, too sensitive. Nothing wrong with a walk down memory lane but all routes are owned by Air Canada, not Jazz.

Looks like your FAs will walk before the pilots as they are not happy with being left out of the negotiating party.

You might wanna give Westjet a call and inform them they are operating aircraft on routes owned by Air Canada. I don't think they got that memo.

[yycflyguy]

Yup, too sensitive. Nothing wrong with a walk down memory lane but all routes are owned by Air Canada, not Jazz.

Looks like your FAs will walk before the pilots as they are not happy with being left out of the negotiating party.

You might wanna give Westjet a call and inform them they are operating aircraft on routes owned by Air Canada. I don't think they got that memo.

My post was in response to Babybus' and Jaques' comments that they used to fly into YQT, YQB, ATL, MSP, RDU, DFW and now the plates are in the Jepp ammendments suggesting that mainline could operate these routes that Jazz has been doing for the past several years, if there is a labour disruption. These are Air Canada routes, not Jazz's. Westjet has nothing to do with this conversation. Not sure what your point is. Are you sensitive now too?

So what is Jazz MECs position on negotiations if the FAs walk first? Sort of steals your thunder, I would think.

[mbav8r]

yycflyguy,
The way I read it, they haven't given notice, they have given an ultimatum. Either start negotiating or we will give notice. That being said, if they do walk first I doubt we will walk at the same time, so we'll have to wait until they settle and then serve our notice, if we don't have an TA at that point. Kind of gives us an upper hand in my mind. If the FAs walk, then come back after any amount of time, I think the company would likely give in to our demands rather than have a second interuption, don't you think?

[mbav8r]

yycflyguy,
Did Jaques and Babybus tell you how they meant it or do you know them well enough to know what they were thinking?
I realise we operate those on behalf of AC, but there are some out there who think Jazz should only be operating Dash 8-100 into small markets, therfore on some of the bigger routes, we have "Stole" the flying.

[yycflyguy]

yycflyguy,
The way I read it, they haven't given notice, they have given an ultimatum. Either start negotiating or we will give notice. That being said, if they do walk first I doubt we will walk at the same time, so we'll have to wait until they settle and then serve our notice, if we don't have an TA at that point. Kind of gives us an upper hand in my mind. If the FAs walk, then come back after any amount of time, I think the company would likely give in to our demands rather than have a second interuption, don't you think?

Hope you are right, but I would think after whoever negotiates an agreement first, management is going to come back and say "sorry, we wanted to play ball but the last group took all the money!" From an ACPA standpoint, CUPE has done a much better job at playing the negotiation game for the FAs than our representation has. Sounds like ALPA is doing a great job. I hope our MEC is following this because we are getting schooled on negotiations 101.

Did Jaques and Babybus tell you how they meant it or do you know them well enough to know what they were thinking?
I realise we operate those on behalf of AC, but there are some out there who think Jazz should only be operating Dash 8-100 into small markets, therfore on some of the bigger routes, we have "Stole" the flying.

I have flown with Jaques but don't know him well enough to speak on his behalf. Still a good man though.

Nobody said anything about "stealing" the flying. That was your interpretation. I read it that they used to fly to those destinations back when we got paid better and they have some fond memories. The latest amendment had these destinations back on the EMB and 320 because if there is a labour disruption we could be flying there 72 hours after your MEC decides its showtime.

[Jean-Pierre]

It's all academic now. AC pilots won't have the chance to scab. We lost the chance to strike.

[yycflyguy]

Regretfully, the government stuck their nose in a little early if you ask me.

It's all academic now. AC pilots won't have the chance to scab. We lost the chance to strike.

It isn't scab flying if we are Jazz and Air Canada are two separate companies, plus it is Air Canada routes that are contracted out via a CPA. Be careful about throwing around a scab label like that.

[Jean-Pierre]

Sorry for the misunderstand I did not feel they are scabs at all. I just thought others would because they called Cargojet pilots scabs for flying Amerijet freight during their strike.