Why I lean left of centre....

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Re: Why I lean left of centre....

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niss wrote: The problem is corporate empires who don't think beyond the bottom line, destroy the middle class, and have the power to @#$! our economies up.

So far I would argue that we have seen more damage in the last 10 years caused by runaway capitalism then our form of socialism.
Absolutely. There are leeches and scumbags on both sides. But such is humanity and why neither system can ever work perfectly.

Don't forget that our form of socialism is blended heavily with capitalism. I'd go so far as to say our brand of "socialism" relies on capitalism. If we could weed out the abusers on both sides of the spectrum we'd all be alot better off and so would the system.
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AGREEMENT!

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bmc wrote:I'm right of center. But when it comes to US politics, it isn't about right and left. It's about stupid and more stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQycloMc ... feature=iv

Michael Steele, chairman of the Republican Party, on the war in Afghanistan, earlier this month:

"Keep in mind again, federal candidates, this was a war of Obama's choosing. This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in."

"Well, if he's such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that's the one thing you don't do, is engage in a land war in Afghanistan? All right, because everyone who has tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed. And there are reasons for that. There are other ways to engage in Afghanistan."

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You are right, and unless the ISAF countries find a quick way out while saving the face, this war will cost them their world dominance dreams... It is costing the US alone 1 million per year per soldier on the ground. At 130,000 troops, plus contractors, plus aid money, etc...
They are speeding up the retreat from Iraq, as they need the funds in Af...
The ordinary afghans have lost any faith in the invasion, and see it just as another invasion. :prayer: It is turning sour, and we will see it better next week at the Kabul conference...
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Once upon a time there were three little pigs who lived together in mutual respect and in harmony with their environment. Using materials that were indigenous to the area, they each built a beautiful house.

One pig built a house of straw, one a house of sticks, and one a house of dung, clay, and creeper vines shaped into bricks and baked in a small kiln fired from methane gas from his environmentally correct outhouse. When they were finished, the pigs were satisfied with their work and settled back to live in peace and self-determination. But their idyll was soon shattered.

One day, along came a big, bad wolf with expansionist ideas. He saw the pigs and grew very hungry in both a physical and ideological sense. When the pigs saw the wolf, they ran into the house of straw. The wolf ran up to the house and banged on the door, shouting, "Little pigs, little pigs, let me in!"

The pigs shouted back, "Your gunboat tactics hold no fear for pigs defending their homes and native culture!"

But the wolf wasn't to be denied what he thought was his manifest destiny. So he huffed and puffed and blew down the house of straw. The frightened pigs ran to the house of sticks, with the wolf in hot pursuit. Where the straw house had stood, other wolves bought up the land and started a banana plantation using petroleum-based fertilizers and pesticides which contaminate the groundwater.

At the house of sticks, the wolf again banged on the door and shouted, "Little pigs, little pigs, let me in!"

The little pigs shouted back, "Go to Hell you carnivorous, imperialistic oppressor!"

At this the wolf huffed and puffed and blew down the house of sticks. The pigs ran to the house of bricks, with the wolf close at their heels. Where the house of sticks had stood, other wolves have now built a time-share condo resort complex for other vacationing wolves. Each unit was a fiberglass reconstruction of the house of sticks, as well as native curio shops, snorkeling and exploitative shows featuring dolphins captured from the wild.

At the house of bricks, the wolf again banged on the door and shouted, "Little pigs, little pigs, let me in!"

This time in response the little pigs sang songs of solidarity and wrote letters of protest to the United Nations. By now the wolf was getting angry at the pigs' refusal to see the situation from the carnivore point of view. So he huffed and puffed, then grabbed his chest and fell over dead of a massive heart attack brought on by eating too many fatty foods. The three little pigs rejoiced that justice had triumphed and did a little dance around the corpse of the wolf.

Their next step was to liberate their homeland. They gathered together a band of other pigs who had been forced off their lands. This new brigade of "porcinistas" attacked the resort complex with machine guns and rocket launchers and slaughtered the cruel wolf oppressors, sending a clear signal to the rest of the hemisphere not to meddle in their internal affairs.

Then the pigs set up a model socialist democracy with free education, universal health care, and affordable housing for everyone.

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The wolf was a metaphorical construct. No actual wolf was harmed in the writing of this story
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Hedley wrote:
Canada is a socialist country
I agree with you, bmc. The curious thing is that the lefties here don't think Canada is far enough to the left :shock:

Oh, I don't know about that... for most Canadians, it has been in about the right place. That's why it got to where it has.

The curious thing is that righties don't think that it is far enought RIGHT.

Witness Clement's statistics-illiteracy attempting to castrate the census.

Or the ongoing attempts to denude the CBC and the arts.

Or the desire to purchase a big slew of rah-rah fighters, when maybe what they could really use is just a few fighters and more of the long-range surveillance and/or SAR equipment.

.... although I do wonder what Toews is up to with an actual Crime-PREVENTION program announced for Scarborough, instead of throwing the two mil at more jails...

A closet NDPer??? ...or a cynical attempt to steal some lefty votes???

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Expat wrote:
We goofed, we never got the pipelines, the oil, the support, we got nothing in return,...like in Nam... :shock:

Well, At least in Nam, a few Servicemen returned with a Vietnamese or a Thai wife...

Any count on how many have returned with Iraqi or Afghan wives???
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First you get the money; then you get the power; then you get the women.

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bmc wrote:Left wing = communism

Right wing = white supremacy, anti Jew, negro, pro-Christian, war for whatever reason, pro banks, pro removal of rights.

Am I missing anything? :lol:
Are you missing anything? Yeah like half your brain maybe!
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Icebound wrote:
Expat wrote:
We goofed, we never got the pipelines, the oil, the support, we got nothing in return,...like in Nam... :shock:

Well, At least in Nam, a few Servicemen returned with a Vietnamese or a Thai wife...

Any count on how many have returned with Iraqi or Afghan wives???
Not even wives...Like I said, there is nothing here to bring home...
The only things we see in planes returning back, is carpets, and coffins...
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And with a bit of heroin floating around there, I wouldn't be surprised if a few guys came home with an addiction. I hope not.

http://www.newser.com/story/5406/us-tro ... eroin.html

http://www.heroin-detox.org/drug_czar.htm
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Why does everything have to be right or left?

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Expat wrote:
Icebound wrote:
Expat wrote:
We goofed, we never got the pipelines, the oil, the support, we got nothing in return,...like in Nam... :shock:

Well, At least in Nam, a few Servicemen returned with a Vietnamese or a Thai wife...

Any count on how many have returned with Iraqi or Afghan wives???
Not even wives...Like I said, there is nothing here to bring home...
The only things we see in planes returning back, is carpets, and coffins...
...and opium...
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php? ... a&aid=8180
I have more...
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AEROBAT wrote:
bmc wrote:Left wing = communism

Right wing = white supremacy, anti Jew, negro, pro-Christian, war for whatever reason, pro banks, pro removal of rights.

Am I missing anything? :lol:
Are you missing anything? Yeah like half your brain maybe!
You didn't get it did you? :roll:
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China is building a railroad though Afghanistan. We flight for??

Wake up already.

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Dash-Ate wrote:China is building a railroad though Afghanistan. We flight for??

Wake up already.

http://www.google.ca/#hl=en&source=hp&q ... 593e50649c
Yes, China...and Uzbekistan in the north, and soon Iran in the west...
Life will go on...
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Dash-Ate wrote:China is building a railroad though Afghanistan. We flight for??

Wake up already.
China is building the computer you use, the TV you watch, the radio you listen to, the shirt you wear, the toys your kids play with. So?
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Anyone read :The Great Game by Peter Hopkirk ?
It is all about that part of the world.
It was recomended by Umberto Eco one of my favorite modern philosophers.
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2R wrote:Anyone read :The Great Game by Peter Hopkirk ?
It is all about that part of the world.
It was recomended by Umberto Eco one of my favorite modern philosophers.
It is still THE great game. People do not realise the importance of this game to the world. First, it will cripple the US economy, then destroy NATO as we know it, who should not be there in the first place.
China, Russia, and India are standing on the sideline, smiling, and waiting...
We cannot blame them for our being stupid! They know it. They are waiting, and investing quietly in this economy. This is the graveyard of empires... :shock:
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Expat wrote: This is the graveyard of empires... :shock:
Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line"!
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Marty: You don't know when to quit, do ya Griswold?... Here's an idea: Why don't you give me half the money your were gonna to bet, then we'll go out back, I'll kick you in the nuts, and we'll call it a day!
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Red Bike Scare: Republican Candidate Warns Bicycle Rentals Will Lead to UN Take-Over

Read more: http://greenanswers.com/news/186166/red ... z0vkyi5ZEc
However, Maes warns that B-Cycle is "bigger than it looks like on the surface, and it could threaten our personal freedoms."
But if you do your homework and research, you realize ICLEI is part of a greater strategy to rein in American cities under a United Nations treaty,” adding "some would argue this document that mayors have signed is contradictory to our own Constitution."
Republicans say the darnedest things.
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