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[Hedley]

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[Slats]

Oh sweet baby Jesus.........

Never took you for a Camaro fan, Hedley.

[Hedley]

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[2R]

Meanwhile back at the KILLZONE:

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Rebel Advance Halted Outside Qaddafi’s Hometown (March 29, 2011)
Obama Defends ‘Limited’ Role in Libya (March 29, 2011)
Text: Obama’s Remarks on Libya (March 29, 2011) When the mission was launched, it was largely seen as having a limited, humanitarian agenda: to keep Colonel Qaddafi from attacking his own people. But the White House, the Pentagon and their European allies have given it the most expansive possible interpretation, amounting to an all-out assault on Libya’s military.

A growing armada of coalition warplanes, armed with more precise information about the location and abilities of Libyan Army units than was known a week ago, have effectively provided the air cover the ragtag opposition has needed to stave off certain defeat in its de facto eastern capital, Benghazi.

Allied aircraft are not only dropping 500-pound bombs on Libyan troops, they are also using psychological operations to try to break their will to fight, broadcasting messages in Arabic and English, telling Libyan soldiers and sailors to abandon their posts and go back to their homes and families, and to defy Colonel Qaddafi’s orders.

The Obama administration has been reluctant to call the operation an actual war, and it has sought to emphasize the involvement of a dozen other countries, particularly Italy, Britain and France. In his speech Monday night, President Obama, as he has in the past, portrayed the mission as a limited one, and described the United States’ role as “supporting.”

But interviews in recent days offer a fuller picture of American involvement, and show that it is far deeper than discussed in public and more instrumental to the fight than was previously known.

From the air, the United States is supplying much more firepower than any other country, with American bombing missions increasing to 107 on Sunday, from 49 on Thursday. Besides taking part in the airstrikes, the American military is taking the lead role in gathering intelligence, intercepting Libyan radio transmissions, for instance, and using the information to orchestrate attacks against the Libyan forces on the ground. And over the weekend the Air Force quietly dispatched two of its most fearsome weapons to the operation.

The strategy for White House officials nervous that the Libya operation could drag on for weeks or months, even under a NATO banner, is to hit Libyan forces hard enough to force them to oust Colonel Qaddafi, a result that President Obama has openly encouraged.

“Certainly, the implied though not stated goal here is that the Libyan Army will decide they’re fighting for a losing cause,” said Gen. John P. Jumper, a retired Air Force chief of staff. “You’re probably dealing with a force that may not be totally motivated to continue this for the long haul.”

Ten days into the assault, the officials said that Libya’s formidable integrated air defense has been largely obliterated, and that the operation was shifting to a new phase devised to put even more pressure on the country’s armored columns and ground troops.

For the Americans, six tank-killing A-10 Warthogs that fire laser-guided Maverick missiles or 30-millimeter cannons arrived on the scene this weekend to join the fight. The United States also deployed two AC-130 gunships, lumbering aircraft that orbit over targets at roughly 15,000 feet, bristling with 40-millimeter and 105-millimeter cannons. The gunships’ weapons are so precise that they could operate against Libyan forces in cities, which so far have been off limits for fear of civilian casualties.

On Sunday, allied warships and submarines fired six Tomahawk cruise missiles at the headquarters of the Libyan 32nd Brigade, based in Tripoli and commanded by one of the Libyan leader’s sons, Khamis Qaddafi. Colonel Qaddafi has used the brigade in the past for internal repression.

“This is one of Qaddafi’s most loyal units and are also one of the most active in terms of attacking innocent people,” Vice Adm. William E. Gortney, the director of the military’s joint staff, told reporters on Monday.

Despite this increased pressure on Libya’s elite forces, Admiral Gortney insisted that the military was not going beyond the mandate of the United Nations resolution.

“I would definitely not say mission creep,” he said.

The allies have fired nearly 200 Tomahawk cruise missiles since the campaign started on March 19, all but 7 from the United States. The United States has flown about 370 attack missions, and its allied partners have flown a similar number, but the Americans have dropped 455 precision-guided munitions compared with 147 from other coalition members.

Over all, commanders say they are trying to create havoc among the Libyan forces, cutting off their logistic pipeline, severing their communications back to headquarters in Tripoli, and stoking fear within the ranks with round-the-clock attacks.

“You want to create confusion at the front, go in after command and control at the rear and supply lines in between and ammunition facilities anywhere that we can find them,” Admiral Gortney said Monday, describing the overall effect the campaign is trying to achieve.

On Sunday, an EC-130J Commando Solo aircraft broadcast messages in English and Arabic, to warn Libyan armed forces. “Libyan sailors, leave your ship immediately,” the message warned. “Leave your equipment and return to your family or your home. The Qaddadi regime forces are violating a United Nations resolution ordering the end of hostilities in your country.”

Air commanders provided an example of the role of American intelligence-gathering. Air Force eavesdropping planes intercept communications from Libyan troops and relay that information to a Global Hawk drone flying high overhead. The Global Hawk zooms in on the location of armored forces and determines rough coordinates. In some cases, the drones are the first to detect moving targets. The Global Hawk sends the coordinates to analysts at a ground station, who pass the data on to the command center for targeting. The command center beams the coordinates to an E-3 Sentry Awacs command-and-control plane, which in turn directs F-16 and Harrier jets and other warplanes to their targets.

“Our message to the regime troops is simple: Stop fighting, stop killing your own people, stop obeying the orders of Colonel Qaddafi,” Admiral Gortney said last week. “To the degree that you defy these demands, we will continue to hit you and make it more difficult for you to keep going.”

New york times article.
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[Hedley]

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[rigpiggy]

what i really want to know is have we got any aerial kills, it is a nfz, so are planes on the ground safe

[Darkwing Duck]

hovering F-35s?

In the spirit of peace and love and brotherhood and new age love and the flying Bernoulli brothers, we all actually know that lift is produced by giant Hoover vacuum cleaners in the sky, creating suction on the tops of wings and rotor blades. This is where lift really comes from.

Next week: mounting wind turbines on aircraft to produce renewable energy.

Is that the BOB HOOVER Vacuum he test flew? I tried to find something on YouTube but no such luck.

Iran needs a little "under 30" revolution, like Egypt, Libya, etc.

I personally think the current "under 30" revolution occurring in the middle east is the best news since the new Camaro ZL1 came out:

It's ZED people, Not ZEE. ZED! A Zed L one.

[iflyforpie]

what i really want to know is have we got any aerial kills, it is a nfz, so are planes on the ground safe

Canadian Forces Air Command hasn't had a single aerial victory in its entire history. The last victory by RCAF personnel was in the Korean War and the last victory by the RCAF proper was in WWII.

I personally think the current "under 30" revolution occurring in the middle east is the best news since the new Camaro ZL1 came out:

Hmm... under 30 revolution meets over 50 mid-life crisis. Goes hand in hand I guess.

[Hedley]

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[Slats]

At the risk of contributing to thread drift.......

I'm a huge Camaro fan, Hedley. As a teenager I had a voracious appetite for all things Camaro; indeed, all things muscle car, but the Camaro is the favourite. Never had the money to own one, but like you pointed out, I'm planning to have a wonderful mid-life crisis one day that involves this beauty:


Perhaps I will have to include the new ZL1 as well as it is, in my opinion, the sexiest thing the nameplate has put out since the '69.

And perhaps I'm missing something but isn't that engine borrowed from Caddy's new(ish) 550 hp BMW slayer, CTS-V? Which I think in turn was borrowed from the Corvette Zr1?

[Hedley]

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[iflyforpie]

1) you are implying I will live to be over 100. Given what I do, that is a tremendous compliment with respect to your opinion of my skills. Thank you very much!

Well, I think most of us will live to be 100 if liter bikes don't get us first.


Never really was a fan of the Camaro. I always thought it was stuck between the more sensible Mustang and the more daring Firebird and Trans Am.

My absolute favourite muscle-car as a small boy was the 2nd Generation Trans-Am--even though it was much later that I saw Smoky and the Bandit. T-tops, the rear spoiler, the Firechicken decal, the fat tires, and the rumble of a 400, what was not to like? The 2nd Generation Camaro seemed very dated by the late 70s with its single round headlights and unaerodynamic nose.

Not sure what my mid-life crisis is going to look like, but it is going to involve two wheels instead of four.

[Beefitarian]

what was not to like?

The lack of space between the middle cylinders on each bank of those 400s that didn't leave enough room for the head gasket and decent water jackets. Could you get a 455? That's much gooder.

I perfer the Nova '68 - '72 with a Blue 1970 350, 4 speed, SS being my favorite. I do love a nice '70.5 Z.

Does everyone know what the Z - 28 is origionally?

[Hedley]

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what was not to like?

The lack of space between the middle cylinders on each bank of those 400s that didn't leave enough room for the head gasket and decent water jackets. Could you get a 455? That's much gooder.

I perfer the Nova '68 - '72 with a Blue 1970 350, 4 speed, SS being my favorite. I do love a nice '70.5 Z.

Does everyone know what the Z - 28 is origionally?

I almost bought a Nova SS as my first car... Bought a Toyota Celica instead...

[Expat]

Not sure what my mid-life crisis is going to look like, but it is going to involve two wheels instead of four.

I am there now, and pussy counts more than cars...

[Beefitarian]

Check mark in the box beside Z-28 on the order sheet got you the 302 engine. It was the build code at General Motors.

These days I would just drop in a crate ZZ572 (shrug). Over 600hp and over 600 ft-lbs of torque on pump gas.

What do you put it in? That would wake up the '55 210 sedan with corvette suspension I'd like to have.

I almost bought a Nova SS as my first car... Bought a Toyota Celica instead...

Was it a nicer colour?

[Expat]

Check mark in the box beside Z-28 on the order sheet got you the 302 engine. It was the build code at General Motors.

These days I would just drop in a crate ZZ572 (shrug). Over 600hp and over 600 ft-lbs of torque on pump gas.

What do you put it in? That would wake up the '55 210 sedan with corvette suspension I'd like to have.

I almost bought a Nova SS as my first car... Bought a Toyota Celica instead...

Was it a nicer colour?

Pussy trap with 5 speeds...and nice color...and I could afford the fuel!

[Expat]

My friend then bought a 72 E-Type V-12! What a pussy magnet that was...

[Dash-Ate]

Who KNOWS what is really going on over there, but someone wanted to destroy some stuff in a hurry.

Here's one take on it. Water? Could be. We need it more than oil.



Libya's leader, Col. Muammar Muhammad al-Gaddafi, has obviously "meddled" with the primary forces of The New World Order by not accepting the nation's finances to be controlled by the IMFand World Bank. Thus, this war aims to secure "The Order of the World Bankster System" and to implement a One World Government, run by them.

While many countries in the Middle East and North Africa bicker over water rights, Libya has tapped into an aquifer of 'fossil water' - ice age water preserved in the porous holes of the Nubian Sandstone Aquifer. This project would have changed the country's topography - turning sand into soil. Now, the war mongers aim to destroy the GMR (Great Man-made River) Water Supply Project. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. It is clear that this war is meant to atomize these high-tech-installations, built over the past 26 years. They want Libya to become once again a crawling Arab beggar before the World Banking System. Those who control the regions water, controls the Arab world.

[Slats]

Due to your lack of citations, we can't know for sure but when an article includes scientific terms such as:

"The Order of the World Bankster System"

war mongers

crawling Arab beggar

...it must clearly be from a professional, unbiased source.

Anyway, my close-second pick for best muscle car: '71 Chevelle

[Hedley]

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[iflyforpie]

I liked those 'heavy metal' cars too, but again, the Pontiac GTO just seemed way more badass than the Chevelles. They screamed irresponsibility.

[Hedley]

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[Moose47]

<<<Now, the war mongers aim to destroy the GMR (Great Man-made River) Water Supply Project. The 26-year, $20 billion project is nearly finished. It is clear that this war is meant to atomize these high-tech-installations, built over the past 26 years. They want Libya to become once again a crawling Arab beggar before the World Banking System. Those who control the regions water, controls the Arab world. >>>

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