Carson Air (metro)

[Cat Driver]

What an amazing industry aviation is in Canada.

One reads post after post for years about certain companies operating outside the rules and regulations by intimidating pilots while paying starvation wages and Transport Canada the regulator just ignores it all.

But let a pilot fail to pay the fifty five dollar fee for processing their medical and Transport Canada will go to great lengths to collect from the pilots including suspending their license.

Soooo...

.....the only logical conclusion one can come to is these stories of intimidation by some companies are just nothing but pilots whining about nothing and making false accusations about these companies.

Maybe these companies should take legal action against these false claims?

And demand TC suspend their licenses.

[goingnowherefast]

4 months

4 months in and a big pay bump... Doubled?

By 8 months in you'll be ahead of the guys money-wise, who will ride in the right seat for years at the other operators...

By 2 years your bond will be up, 1500 hours MPIC, including +12500 PIC, airline seat is in sight... Heck you could go direct entry left seat at encore... Lol... Or is that too scabby?

And all you have to do is make good choices, fly safe and do your time.

How do you make those good choices when you don't have the experience to know any better? Personally, I'd rather sit beside a 4000 hour captain, know I'm safe and learn from them than I would to make twice my pay for 2 months before dying.

What an amazing industry aviation is in Canada.

One reads post after post for years about certain companies operating outside the rules and regulations by intimidating pilots while paying starvation wages and Transport Canada the regulator just ignores it all.

But let a pilot fail to pay the fifty five dollar fee for processing their medical and Transport Canada will go to great lengths to collect from the pilots including suspending their license.

Soooo...

.....the only logical conclusion one can come to is these stories of intimidation by some companies are just nothing but pilots whining about nothing and making false accusations about these companies.

Maybe these companies should take legal action against these false claims?

AIM GEN 3.5 SECURITAS Program: Instead of bitching anonymously on the internet, send it to the TSB, include details, pictures, examples, whatever you feel necessary.

We're all in this together. Just want to make a living and not kill ourselves in the process.

[Cat Driver]

AIM GEN 3.5 SECURITAS Program: Instead of bitching anonymously on the internet, send it to the TSB, include details, pictures, examples, whatever you feel necessary.

We're all in this together. Just want to make a living and not kill ourselves in the process.

Great idea, but will it work?

Maybe someone here can let us know if they tried this route and what success they had?

[rocket81]

Don't worry folks next step is Jazz or Encore, 705s.... 35k ..32k, hurry up it is falling down to 25 k !!
We are enjoying the fruits of the tree planted by our predecessors.

The best part is boomers use it all and leave only waste behind.
Lazy new generations of pilots have to suffer like they did, loads of jobs available but no money anymore. It's all in the senior pockets.






Altiplano people like you make me laugh.

Bwahaaaa....

Better show up with some a plan, some skills and some balls.

What do you think princess? It's fun and games? "Let's hold hands and brief the pax."

Is it the company's fault that plane was off the end? Nah, that's some jackass who couldn't put it in there smooth and didn't know how to say "no" before he found out.

Get in, get out, survive... West coast 703/704... That's all there is to it. Doesn't matter which company you're at... All crap...

You want to be a captain asap and can handle it? There it is. Hell of a good time to be had too. It aint for everyone and sure it's a shatty job, but they all are at that level as far as I'm concerned. Plan, skills, balls. Get in, get out, survive.

I will tell you of a lot of young guys who think they are ready for capt at 1200 hrs, they will be because there is no experience left. Plan, skills .. Balls...flips the coins. We'll see where it goes. Ten years ago the industry was saturated. Not the case today.

[PositiveRate27]

4 months

4 months in and a big pay bump... Doubled?

By 8 months in you'll be ahead of the guys money-wise, who will ride in the right seat for years at the other operators...

By 2 years your bond will be up, 1500 hours MPIC, including +12500 PIC, airline seat is in sight... Heck you could go direct entry left seat at encore... Lol... Or is that too scabby?

And all you have to do is make good choices, fly safe and do your time.

If you think you are going DEC at Encore two years from now with only 1500 MPIC on a metro you're dreaming.


Carson is hiring, so have at it. All I wanted to do was have a discussion about strategies for moving through the 703/704 sector of the industry, and I think we've done that. Hopefully I've shed some light on what to expect at Carson, and people can make some educated decisions about their futures. I've said my piece, and I'll end my contribution to the thread here.

Best of luck to all in the job hunt.

PR

[SPR]

Personally, I'd rather sit beside a 4000 hour captain, know I'm safe and learn from them than I would to make twice my pay for 2 months before dying.

How many fatal accidents has Carson had? How many accidents in the last decade, including the excursions mentioned above? I honestly don't know, I just can't recall having heard of any, and I'm wondering whether the low upgrade requirements and low pay have actually translated into an unsafe environment.

It's not as easy for a person who is placed in the left seat against their will and doesn't have the experience to fall back on when things go sideways. I'm not absolving anyone, but it takes two to tango.

It certainly does take two to tango, and I wonder how one is upgraded against one's will. Was the chief pilot ever told about the reservations in getting upgraded? Why would a company go through the time and expense of training and a ride for someone who didn't want it? How does the company force a pilot to actually fly as captain? I have a very hard time believing that any company in Canada could upgrade a pilot against his or her will, and that there weren't others willing to step into the role should you have made it known that you weren't comfortable with the decision. I wonder if this isn't trying to place blame on the company after things went sideways and the situation wasn't handled well by the pilot.

[altiplano]

Altiplano people like you make me laugh.

Bwahaaaa....

Better show up with some a plan, some skills and some balls.

What do you think princess? It's fun and games? "Let's hold hands and brief the pax."

Is it the company's fault that plane was off the end? Nah, that's some jackass who couldn't put it in there smooth and didn't know how to say "no" before he found out.

Get in, get out, survive... West coast 703/704... That's all there is to it. Doesn't matter which company you're at... All crap...

You want to be a captain asap and can handle it? There it is. Hell of a good time to be had too. It aint for everyone and sure it's a shatty job, but they all are at that level as far as I'm concerned. Plan, skills, balls. Get in, get out, survive.

I will tell you of a lot of young guys who think they are ready for capt at 1200 hrs, they will be because there is no experience left. Plan, skills .. Balls...flips the coins. We'll see where it goes. Ten years ago the industry was saturated. Not the case today.

Haha, I'm glad you can laugh. The post was meant to be with some humour. But i think it's the truth too. Rereading that though, one thing i maybe wasnt clear on though was "balls"... I don't mean balls in taking it in in the claggiest cruddiest situations. I mean the balls to tell the CP "no" I'm not doing that. The balls to make your own choices. The balls to tell he CP and the customer you're not going to circle at night of the LOC in YXT in freezing rain and the ceiling and vis at mins, the balls to not use brooms and piss cans and call the deice truck. The balls to stand up for yourself and how you as the captain want to operate. I mean its an all weather operation so you go and miss sometimes, you try the contact approach in YYD or YCG when the conditions suit, but you learn your limit and be a captain, this isn't a business for the meek but it's not for a rockstar either.

Sounds like the issue is guys don't feel comfortable with their positions... Better get some confidence, speak up, maybe get a mentor and take it easy.

[negative.g]

So let me see if I have this right. 4 months in they offer you an upgrade and you turn it down. Man I would much rather be in the left making the final decisions then sit in the right seat. And I know guys that have gone to encore with less than 1500mpic.

[PointyEngine]

One interesting point about the metro drivers with Carson is the guys who come through the flight school. They generally move the most capable pilots from Southern Interior Flight School to the metro flight line. Obviously, they are bonded to the to the teeth for $18k (SW3/SW4). The issue is for some of these guys Carson Air is their only employment reference. I remember a conversation with one captain (who in my opinion was a great driver) in regard to an operational consideration on a crappy YVR winter day. He felt that by "pushing back" against management, if it all went sideways he didn't have any aviation reference he could call and feel they wouldn't burn him. A similar conversation came up in regard to an aircraft with a maintenance issue, with a separate captain at a later date. Bit of food for thought.