What does Air Canada want to see on a resume

[sportingrifle]

If you want the best odds of getting hired at AC in the next few years, then what you need on your resume is “I work at Jazz”. If you do not have this on your resume, then you are completing with all of the other OTS applicants for the non-Jazz quota hiring spots.

This is not an endorsement for Jazz. Just a reality.

Having said that, Jazz applicants must meet whatever the AC published minimum experience requirements are. Many do not. Perhaps that will result in more AC OTS hiring.

What Rudder said is true, but things are changing, and the Jazz quota is going to be a lot smaller than it was. Having Jazz on your resume is still a good way to AC, but so will be multi crew command time, 705 jet time, military time, and a university degree.

[JoeyBarton]

If you want the best odds of getting hired at AC in the next few years, then what you need on your resume is “I work at Jazz”. If you do not have this on your resume, then you are completing with all of the other OTS applicants for the non-Jazz quota hiring spots.

This is not an endorsement for Jazz. Just a reality.

Having said that, Jazz applicants must meet whatever the AC published minimum experience requirements are. Many do not. Perhaps that will result in more AC OTS hiring.

What Rudder said is true, but things are changing, and the Jazz quota is going to be a lot smaller than it was. Having Jazz on your resume is still a good way to AC, but so will be multi crew command time, 705 jet time, military time, and a university degree.

Care to elaborate why the jazz quota will be less?

[RoAF-Mig21]

If you want the best odds of getting hired at AC in the next few years, then what you need on your resume is “I work at Jazz”. If you do not have this on your resume, then you are completing with all of the other OTS applicants for the non-Jazz quota hiring spots.

This is not an endorsement for Jazz. Just a reality.

Having said that, Jazz applicants must meet whatever the AC published minimum experience requirements are. Many do not. Perhaps that will result in more AC OTS hiring.

What Rudder said is true, but things are changing, and the Jazz quota is going to be a lot smaller than it was. Having Jazz on your resume is still a good way to AC, but so will be multi crew command time, 705 jet time, military time, and a university degree.

Care to elaborate why the jazz quota will be less?

The only way "Jazz Quota" will be less is IF Jazz gets absorbed into mainline. (And that's a big IF). Once this pandemic is over, I believe the shortage will be even worse than 2019 levels. If I learned one thing in this industry is that you can always expect the unexpected. I really didn't think GGN and Sky Regional would be absorbed into Jazz, yet here we are.

[rudder]

What Rudder said is true, but things are changing, and the Jazz quota is going to be a lot smaller than it was. Having Jazz on your resume is still a good way to AC, but so will be multi crew command time, 705 jet time, military time, and a university degree.

On an absolute basis I believe you are correct. The total number of Jazz pilots that will migrate to AC via the hiring quota obligation between 2022-2025 will be far less that the total number that migrated between 2015-2020. This is because the AC pilot staffing requirements and retirement attrition rates will not add up to those seen in the previous ‘boom’ hiring cycle.

However, the Jazz hiring quota of 60% of AC PIT spots (measured on an annualized basis) remains intact. This is actually a concession as both GGN and SKV had their own quotas (for an aggregate Express quota obligation well above 60%) but despite consolidation with Jazz, the Express ratio remains at 60%. Perhaps that is what you are referring to as an increased opportunity for OTS applicants to AC.

There is however a near term obligation on the part of AC via a Jazz/ALPA MOS from March 2021:

“Notwithstanding Section 3-14.01, when Pilot hiring at Air Canada is planned to be less than one hundred (100) Pilots per Year, Air Canada shall offer no less than seventy percent (70%) of its new hire Positions to Pilots on the Pilot System Seniority List who have applied. This shall remain in effect until December 31, 2025.”

I don’t expect a year of sub-100 AC hiring other than 2022. But if AC does resume hiring in the fall, it will be 70% Jazz until Dec 31.

[JoeyBarton]

So it might be a better cycle for OTS hiring than it was previously.

[sportingrifle]

Yes. AC constantly re-evaluates it’s needs and opportunities. Upgrading pilots has been a challenge. It will need pilots who are capable of upgrading in the medium term future and has the opportunity
now to hire pilots with the demonstrated ability to do so.

[link821]

Does AC require pilots that flow from Jazz to do 2 yos at Jazz before considering hiring them? Say a candidate with previous 704 command time on an aircraft greater then 12500.

[Transition9er2]

Does AC require pilots that flow from Jazz to do 2 yos at Jazz before considering hiring them? Say a candidate with previous 704 command time on an aircraft greater then 12500.

There’s no minimum time requirement to flow from jazz. As long as you meet the requirements of the posting at the time (typically ATPL) you can apply. From there everything is done based on seniority of the pool of applicants.

Interviews are scheduled per jazz seniority.
Job offers based on jazz seniority.

This can actually be quite frustrating. Frustrating in that you can meet all the requirements when you apply and can be moved through the hiring process quickly. However, as senior Jazz pilots also meet the requirements and apply, they’ll slot in ahead of you until there’s either no one left, or the hiring window is typically around your seniority level with jazz. So theoretically, there’s a possibility that you can start at jazz and submit your AC application and start the hiring process right away and actually get hired quite quickly. However there’s also a possibility that you could start at jazz, go through the hiring process at AC but end up waiting well over a year for a job offer as senior jazz pilots slot in ahead of you.

Hope that makes sense.

T.

[link821]

Does AC require pilots that flow from Jazz to do 2 yos at Jazz before considering hiring them? Say a candidate with previous 704 command time on an aircraft greater then 12500.

There’s no minimum time requirement to flow from jazz. As long as you meet the requirements of the posting at the time (typically ATPL) you can apply. From there everything is done based on seniority of the pool of applicants.

Interviews are scheduled per jazz seniority.
Job offers based on jazz seniority.

This can actually be quite frustrating. Frustrating in that you can meet all the requirements when you apply and can be moved through the hiring process quickly. However, as senior Jazz pilots also meet the requirements and apply, they’ll slot in ahead of you until there’s either no one left, or the hiring window is typically around your seniority level with jazz. So theoretically, there’s a possibility that you can start at jazz and submit your AC application and start the hiring process right away and actually get hired quite quickly. However there’s also a possibility that you could start at jazz, go through the hiring process at AC but end up waiting well over a year for a job offer as senior jazz pilots slot in ahead of you.

Hope that makes sense.

T.

Thanks for your response! I didn't realize offers were based off of ones seniority at Jazz. So someone with 3000hr and 1 year at Jazz could technically be hired after someone with 2000hrs but has been at Jazz 2-3 years?

[Transition9er2]

Does AC require pilots that flow from Jazz to do 2 yos at Jazz before considering hiring them? Say a candidate with previous 704 command time on an aircraft greater then 12500.

There’s no minimum time requirement to flow from jazz. As long as you meet the requirements of the posting at the time (typically ATPL) you can apply. From there everything is done based on seniority of the pool of applicants.

Interviews are scheduled per jazz seniority.
Job offers based on jazz seniority.

This can actually be quite frustrating. Frustrating in that you can meet all the requirements when you apply and can be moved through the hiring process quickly. However, as senior Jazz pilots also meet the requirements and apply, they’ll slot in ahead of you until there’s either no one left, or the hiring window is typically around your seniority level with jazz. So theoretically, there’s a possibility that you can start at jazz and submit your AC application and start the hiring process right away and actually get hired quite quickly. However there’s also a possibility that you could start at jazz, go through the hiring process at AC but end up waiting well over a year for a job offer as senior jazz pilots slot in ahead of you.

Hope that makes sense.

T.

Thanks for your response! I didn't realize offers were based off of ones seniority at Jazz. So someone with 3000hr and 1 year at Jazz could technically be hired after someone with 2000hrs but has been at Jazz 2-3 years?

That’s correct. If you’re new to jazz and want to flow to AC, it’s all about timing and has nothing to do with experience. Well, obviously you have to meet the min requirements for the posting and pass all phases of the hiring process… just because you’re coming from jazz doesn’t mean it’s a guaranteed job offer.

Also, and some may hate reading this, but the drawback to joining jazz as a college grad is that there are a significant number of “senior” pilots who can’t meet the min requirements or are having a difficult time meeting the min requirements ie. picus is very difficult to get and the amount of flying over the last 2 years has been low and there’s only a 12 month shelf life for picus, meaning there could be some that are in the position of needing to claw back a lot of hours towards their ATPL.

If I had to guess, I would say there’s a window of opportunity at Jazz right now for a new hire with experience to flow to AC quite quickly while a large number of senior pilots make up lost ground to qualify for the chance to interview.

I’m not trying to sh!t on the college kids, it’s simply the nature of the program.

That being said, to most of the college kids credits, they’re a resourceful bunch and will have no doubt found ways to get the hours necessary to keep them close to getting their ATPL’s. It won’t take long for a large number of them to start flowing to AC as things start moving again.

This is all just my thoughts based on what I’m seeing. If there’s someone “in the know” that can speak to this in more detail, they would be your information source to follow.

T.

[Transition9er2]

Does AC require pilots that flow from Jazz to do 2 yos at Jazz before considering hiring them? Say a candidate with previous 704 command time on an aircraft greater then 12500.

There’s no minimum time requirement to flow from jazz. As long as you meet the requirements of the posting at the time (typically ATPL) you can apply. From there everything is done based on seniority of the pool of applicants.

Interviews are scheduled per jazz seniority.
Job offers based on jazz seniority.

This can actually be quite frustrating. Frustrating in that you can meet all the requirements when you apply and can be moved through the hiring process quickly. However, as senior Jazz pilots also meet the requirements and apply, they’ll slot in ahead of you until there’s either no one left, or the hiring window is typically around your seniority level with jazz. So theoretically, there’s a possibility that you can start at jazz and submit your AC application and start the hiring process right away and actually get hired quite quickly. However there’s also a possibility that you could start at jazz, go through the hiring process at AC but end up waiting well over a year for a job offer as senior jazz pilots slot in ahead of you.

Hope that makes sense.

T.

Thanks for your response! I didn't realize offers were based off of ones seniority at Jazz. So someone with 3000hr and 1 year at Jazz could technically be hired after someone with 2000hrs but has been at Jazz 2-3 years?

Also, just a suggestion, you might want to post this question on the Jazz page. It’d be a lot easier to get more eyes on this topic from some folks who are in the training department and can offer up some solid info.

Not sure how many Jazz guys poke around here on the AC group (haha sarcasm) but putting this over at the Jazz page might get you more traction.

[link821]

There’s no minimum time requirement to flow from jazz. As long as you meet the requirements of the posting at the time (typically ATPL) you can apply. From there everything is done based on seniority of the pool of applicants.

Interviews are scheduled per jazz seniority.
Job offers based on jazz seniority.

This can actually be quite frustrating. Frustrating in that you can meet all the requirements when you apply and can be moved through the hiring process quickly. However, as senior Jazz pilots also meet the requirements and apply, they’ll slot in ahead of you until there’s either no one left, or the hiring window is typically around your seniority level with jazz. So theoretically, there’s a possibility that you can start at jazz and submit your AC application and start the hiring process right away and actually get hired quite quickly. However there’s also a possibility that you could start at jazz, go through the hiring process at AC but end up waiting well over a year for a job offer as senior jazz pilots slot in ahead of you.

Hope that makes sense.

T.

Thanks for your response! I didn't realize offers were based off of ones seniority at Jazz. So someone with 3000hr and 1 year at Jazz could technically be hired after someone with 2000hrs but has been at Jazz 2-3 years?

That’s correct. If you’re new to jazz and want to flow to AC, it’s all about timing and has nothing to do with experience. Well, obviously you have to meet the min requirements for the posting and pass all phases of the hiring process… just because you’re coming from jazz doesn’t mean it’s a guaranteed job offer.

Also, and some may hate reading this, but the drawback to joining jazz as a college grad is that there are a significant number of “senior” pilots who can’t meet the min requirements or are having a difficult time meeting the min requirements ie. picus is very difficult to get and the amount of flying over the last 2 years has been low and there’s only a 12 month shelf life for picus, meaning there could be some that are in the position of needing to claw back a lot of hours towards their ATPL.

If I had to guess, I would say there’s a window of opportunity at Jazz right now for a new hire with experience to flow to AC quite quickly while a large number of senior pilots make up lost ground to qualify for the chance to interview.

I’m not trying to sh!t on the college kids, it’s simply the nature of the program.

That being said, to most of the college kids credits, they’re a resourceful bunch and will have no doubt found ways to get the hours necessary to keep them close to getting their ATPL’s. It won’t take long for a large number of them to start flowing to AC as things start moving again.

This is all just my thoughts based on what I’m seeing. If there’s someone “in the know” that can speak to this in more detail, they would be your information source to follow.

T.

Thanks for your response, yeah I guess this maybe should have gone in the Jazz forum. Another thing I’m clog is the amount of FOs on property at Jazz who are currently eligible for an upgrade but that’s definitely a question for the Jazz page lol

[link821]

There’s no minimum time requirement to flow from jazz. As long as you meet the requirements of the posting at the time (typically ATPL) you can apply. From there everything is done based on seniority of the pool of applicants.

Interviews are scheduled per jazz seniority.
Job offers based on jazz seniority.

This can actually be quite frustrating. Frustrating in that you can meet all the requirements when you apply and can be moved through the hiring process quickly. However, as senior Jazz pilots also meet the requirements and apply, they’ll slot in ahead of you until there’s either no one left, or the hiring window is typically around your seniority level with jazz. So theoretically, there’s a possibility that you can start at jazz and submit your AC application and start the hiring process right away and actually get hired quite quickly. However there’s also a possibility that you could start at jazz, go through the hiring process at AC but end up waiting well over a year for a job offer as senior jazz pilots slot in ahead of you.

Hope that makes sense.

T.

Thanks for your response! I didn't realize offers were based off of ones seniority at Jazz. So someone with 3000hr and 1 year at Jazz could technically be hired after someone with 2000hrs but has been at Jazz 2-3 years?

That’s correct. If you’re new to jazz and want to flow to AC, it’s all about timing and has nothing to do with experience. Well, obviously you have to meet the min requirements for the posting and pass all phases of the hiring process… just because you’re coming from jazz doesn’t mean it’s a guaranteed job offer.

Also, and some may hate reading this, but the drawback to joining jazz as a college grad is that there are a significant number of “senior” pilots who can’t meet the min requirements or are having a difficult time meeting the min requirements ie. picus is very difficult to get and the amount of flying over the last 2 years has been low and there’s only a 12 month shelf life for picus, meaning there could be some that are in the position of needing to claw back a lot of hours towards their ATPL.

If I had to guess, I would say there’s a window of opportunity at Jazz right now for a new hire with experience to flow to AC quite quickly while a large number of senior pilots make up lost ground to qualify for the chance to interview.

I’m not trying to sh!t on the college kids, it’s simply the nature of the program.

That being said, to most of the college kids credits, they’re a resourceful bunch and will have no doubt found ways to get the hours necessary to keep them close to getting their ATPL’s. It won’t take long for a large number of them to start flowing to AC as things start moving again.

This is all just my thoughts based on what I’m seeing. If there’s someone “in the know” that can speak to this in more detail, they would be your information source to follow.

T.

Thanks for your response, yeah I guess this maybe should have gone in the Jazz forum. Another thing I’m clog is the amount of FOs on property at Jazz who are currently eligible for an upgrade but that’s definitely a question for the Jazz page lol

[Transition9er2]

Oh that’s the Million dollar question right there my friend.

DM if you have any questions.

T.