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Re: Sky Regional and Embraer jobs

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Thank you for all proving and backing up my point. Jazz was the poster child/whipping boy for long enough. We finally gained what many agree to be a fair contract. Over night we went from being cheap, undercutting scum to the over priced help. Now someone is taking over and they're doing it cheaper than we ever did. I'm well aware of the Comairs and ASTARs of this industry. It's sad that once again this cycle is continuing.
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Panama Jack wrote:
Baphomet wrote:Hire foreign pilots with EMJ ratings because there is a lack of them in Canada :twisted:
I know you are being facetious, but this was already done when Air Canada got the Embraers. The trainers were from Swiss Aviation Training.
When the Embraer's first appeared on property in summer of 2005 the initial training was done at CAE in YUL until Air Canada received the first of two YYZ simulators in early Spring 2006. From that point on it was either AC pilots doing the training or AC contract pilots. I am not aware of Swiss Aviation ever doing the training.
tdp19 wrote:Found this on another Sky Regional forum from 2010


ACPA should definitely be ashamed of allowing Air Canada to use a second Tier 2 operator and allowing them to lower the standards further. This does not help ACPA members, and honestly Air Canada should want to put pressure on Porter by paying slightly more to draw pilots from their operation and increasing Porter's overall costs as well. ACPA definitely dropped the ball in my eyes."
FWIW ACPA pilots had no say in the formation of Sky Regional. It was a back-room, ill-advised deal that the MEC and MEC Chair of the day "negotiated" with the company. There was serious outrage after SR was announced and eventually led to the firing of many on the MEC and the Chair himself as it was obvious to most that this would be the path the company would take.

There is also a big difference between what is good for AC and what is good for ACPA and Canadian pilots. AC doesn't give a rip about pilot WAWCON.
DHC-1 Jockey wrote:Speaking about lowering the bar and wages, I just saw an ad on the employment page for full-time flight attendants for Sky. The salary? $22,000 annually. And that's to live on in Toronto. Makes me sick.
They are an unskilled, unlicensed labour group. Why do they deserve more?
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They are an unskilled, unlicensed labour group. Why do they deserve more?
Wow, I sure hope you're being facetious.
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Sleeve of Wizard wrote:
They are an unskilled, unlicensed labour group. Why do they deserve more?
Wow, I sure hope you're being facetious.
I doubt it. Being a Flight Attendant isn't a career anymore, and the wages being offered reflect that fact that it's a job which doesn't require any post-secondary education or pre-employement training. As such, FA positions within start-up carriers start at wages comparable to positions outside of the aviation industry with the same hiring criteria. Legacy carriers with unionized workforces have much less leverage. Don't get me wrong, Flight Attendants work hard and this I'm not dumping on them personally. They have to deal with many of the same challenges that pilots do, but their position doesn't require the same skill-set, experience, and training that pilots require. If an individual looking at a flight attendant position feels their time is worth more than the pay offered they wouldn't apply, likewise, if an airline wishes to attract better candidates they can offer higher wages. The same see-saw effect holds true for employee retention.
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Panama Jack is correct regarding Swiss Aviation.
When CAE Montreal first started to deliver EMB170/190 type rating training they used Swiss Aviation under contract. No one in Canada could provide the training.
Air Canada eventually took over their own type rating training at CAE in Montreal until their own FFS was up and running in Toronto when the whole roadshow went home.

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That's funny, I was on one of the earliest EMJ courses that started in early June 05...We were trained in YUL at CAE buy AC instructors and checkers...I don't remember anything about Swiss being involved but that doesn't mean it never happened...

Getting forget full in my old age...lol :rolleyes:
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flyloose wrote:That's funny, I was on one of the earliest EMJ courses that started in early June 05...We were trained in YUL at CAE buy AC instructors and checkers...I don't remember anything about Swiss being involved but that doesn't mean it never happened...

Getting forget full in my old age...lol :rolleyes:
So you were "one of the earliest", yet obviously not the earliest. So shut up

Anyway, so how exactly is SkyRegional going to pull these hulls in? Is ACPA actually going to be the facilitator of their own demise? Are you Air Canada peeps really THAT F*CKING STUPID!?! Is Raymond Hall going to roll in with an expired 170 type (and his buddies) and teach everyone how to destroy an industry, or is ACPA going to show some balls for once?

I am not an ACPA member. But if the possibility exists (even as a slant chance) that ACPA pilots will be providing SIM or Line Indoc training to a scumbag feeder that is literally stealing your scope, you fuckers NEED TO STAND UP RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! Make a list of those that are participating and post that shit. Absolutely unacceptable!!!

If you're feeling squeamish about posting names, just PM me and I will happily let everyone know, whether it is via this screen name or another... (By the way, I can easily cross-reference names vs actuality through many AC contacts, so please don't try to bullshit me.)
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Takeoff OK wrote:
flyloose wrote:That's funny, I was on one of the earliest EMJ courses that started in early June 05...We were trained in YUL at CAE buy AC instructors and checkers...I don't remember anything about Swiss being involved but that doesn't mean it never happened...

Getting forget full in my old age...lol :rolleyes:
So you were "one of the earliest", yet obviously not the earliest. So shut up

Anyway, so how exactly is SkyRegional going to pull these hulls in? Is ACPA actually going to be the facilitator of their own demise? Are you Air Canada peeps really THAT F*CKING STUPID!?! Is Raymond Hall going to roll in with an expired 170 type (and his buddies) and teach everyone how to destroy an industry, or is ACPA going to show some balls for once?

I am not an ACPA member. But if the possibility exists (even as a slant chance) that ACPA pilots will be providing SIM or Line Indoc training to a scumbag feeder that is literally stealing your scope, you fuckers NEED TO STAND UP RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! Make a list of those that are participating and post that shit. Absolutely unacceptable!!!

If you're feeling squeamish about posting names, just PM me and I will happily let everyone know, whether it is via this screen name or another... (By the way, I can easily cross-reference names vs actuality through many AC contacts, so please don't try to bullshit me.)
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BverLuver wrote:
Takeoff OK wrote:
flyloose wrote:That's funny, I was on one of the earliest EMJ courses that started in early June 05...We were trained in YUL at CAE buy AC instructors and checkers...I don't remember anything about Swiss being involved but that doesn't mean it never happened...

Getting forget full in my old age...lol :rolleyes:
So you were "one of the earliest", yet obviously not the earliest. So shut up

Anyway, so how exactly is SkyRegional going to pull these hulls in? Is ACPA actually going to be the facilitator of their own demise? Are you Air Canada peeps really THAT F*CKING STUPID!?! Is Raymond Hall going to roll in with an expired 170 type (and his buddies) and teach everyone how to destroy an industry, or is ACPA going to show some balls for once?

I am not an ACPA member. But if the possibility exists (even as a slant chance) that ACPA pilots will be providing SIM or Line Indoc training to a scumbag feeder that is literally stealing your scope, you fuckers NEED TO STAND UP RIGHT FUCKING NOW!!! Make a list of those that are participating and post that shit. Absolutely unacceptable!!!

If you're feeling squeamish about posting names, just PM me and I will happily let everyone know, whether it is via this screen name or another... (By the way, I can easily cross-reference names vs actuality through many AC contacts, so please don't try to bullshit me.)
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Takeoff OK wrote:tequila shots + keyboard = bad
Nice, I've been there.
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Scope?
Did someone say Scope?
State of the economy + State of the airline industry + State of the regional airlines + the presence of West Jet + Lisa Raitt oversight = Elimination of the Scope.
Scope is a dinosaur headed for irrelevance and therefore, extinction.

Survival depends on recognizing certain realities facing the industry today and making the necessary adjustments to adapt to that new reality. Not just scope but government intent to immasculate pilot unions. We may or may not like it but it's part of a new reality.

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