Sky Regional Hiring

[skypirate88]

I was called with less than 2000

How long ago was that and what kind of time did you have?

[PROC_HDG]

If a Jazz pilot is not letting a Sky Regional or Georgian pilot into the jumpseat it is because they are not allowed to. Both these airlines do not have jumpseat agreements with Jazz nor are they authorized to ride in the jumpseat like an AC pilots as per the COM.

But don't let rumors get in the way of facts...

Wrong. Sky pilots are allowed to ride in the jumpseat on Jazz and AC Mainline flights when the back is full, at the discretion of the Captain.

PROC_HDG

[anonymity]

PROC, just had a look at our COM and if Jazz pilots are allowing a SR pilot access to the flight deck, they are in fact violating the COM and CARS. It would be no different then allowing a WJ pilot to occupy the J/S. We have a policy to allow AC pilots and FAs and that is it.

[PROC_HDG]

PROC, just had a look at our COM and if Jazz pilots are allowing a SR pilot access to the flight deck, they are in fact violating the COM and CARS. It would be no different then allowing a WJ pilot to occupy the J/S. We have a policy to allow AC pilots and FAs and that is it.

If this is true, it is a surprise, because our Flight Deck Travel Policy and COM allow Mainline, Rouge and Jazz Pilots and FAs in the jumpseat under the pretext that it is reciprocal. If it is true that there is no mention of this in the Jazz COM, then that is indicative of a more major issue, isn't it?

PROC_HDG

[PositiveRate27]

Does it explicitly say the physical jump seat is shared in the reciprocal agreement, or is that how you interpret it? I can understand Jazz not wanting personnel from a competing airline, which operates the same aircraft, occupying their flight deck. If Sky Regional doesn't feel the same way that's up to them. The jump seat availability on Sky aircraft may very well be intentionally written one way.

[PROC_HDG]

Does it explicitly say the physical jump seat is shared in the reciprocal agreement, or is that how you interpret it? I can understand Jazz not wanting personnel from a competing airline, which operates the same aircraft, occupying their flight deck. If Sky Regional doesn't feel the same way that's up to them. The jump seat availability on Sky aircraft may very well be intentionally written one way.

There is nothing to be interpreted, it is quite clear about occupying the flight deck jumpseat. It doesn't say anything about us being allowed in JZA jumpseats, so perhaps you are right.

Its unfortunate that this is what we've come to - I'm sure management is laughing it up watching us squabble over things like this. This kind of bad blood surely doesn't do anybody any good?

PROC_HDG

[PositiveRate27]

Does it explicitly say the physical jump seat is shared in the reciprocal agreement, or is that how you interpret it? I can understand Jazz not wanting personnel from a competing airline, which operates the same aircraft, occupying their flight deck. If Sky Regional doesn't feel the same way that's up to them. The jump seat availability on Sky aircraft may very well be intentionally written one way.

There is nothing to be interpreted, it is quite clear about occupying the flight deck jumpseat. It doesn't say anything about us being allowed in JZA jumpseats, so perhaps you are right.

Its unfortunate that this is what we've come to - I'm sure management is laughing it up watching us squabble over things like this. This kind of bad blood surely doesn't do anybody any good?

PROC_HDG

Can't argue with that my friend

[rudder]

FD access policy is a function of regulatory compliance and required employment status verification procedures (i.e. guaranteed real-time validity). It has nothing to do with pilots and everything to do with the air carrier itself and whether it is able and willing to implement FD access procedures for OAL pilots.

But don't let that stand in the way of trying to politicize the issue.

[PROC_HDG]

FD access policy is a function of regulatory compliance and required employment status verification procedures (i.e. guaranteed real-time validity). It has nothing to do with pilots and everything to do with the air carrier itself and whether it is able and willing to implement FD access procedures for OAL pilots.

But don't let that stand in the way of trying to politicize the issue.

Well, Sky has gone through the necessary steps for regulatory approval and compliance to allow other AC network employees in the FD Jumpseat, as has AC Mainline. I am assuming Jazz has gone through the necessary steps to allow Mainline employees in the Jumpseat? So without trying to 'politicize' the issue, why is it that Sky is able to do this for Jazz and not the other way around?

PROC_HDG