What is the '' something'' you allege is going to happen? The foreign pilots are a lot more qualified than many Canadian pilots who fly 737's for other Canadian carriers so please don't perpetuate rumors that anything will happen. These guys have experience and they have hours so enough said.
Accidents can happen to any pilot regardless of qualifications and experience.
That is why we get insurance coverage.
The insurance issues are clearly legal.
It is not quite that clear, because insurance companies will look for any justified reason to deny paying out a claim.
So here is a question for you YHZGOOSE, lets pretend you personally have 100% ownership in all the airplanes that are being flown by foreign licensed pilots who are flying these airplanes on a Canadian FLVC would you still be satisfied there is nothing to worry about?
So here is a question for you YHZGOOSE, lets pretend you personally have 100% ownership in all the airplanes that are being flown by foreign licensed pilots who are flying these airplanes on a Canadian FLVC would you still be satisfied there is nothing to worry about?
If I had 100% ownership I would make certain my insurance covers pilots flying on a Canadian FLVC. I am confident any airline who operates with foreign pilots does.
If you would like to know, then ask your union rep or MEC chair what the position of the Canada Board is. Perhaps there is a reason they are not in the media. If you do not agree with that reason, then that is another issue entirely but I suspect since you work for Transat, you know that already.
jackrabbit wrote:If you would like to know, then ask your union rep or MEC chair what the position of the Canada Board is. Perhaps there is a reason they are not in the media. If you do not agree with that reason, then that is another issue entirely but I suspect since you work for Transat, you know that already.
The answer will likely be that ALPA is working "behind the scenes" with their contacts in YOW.
Problem is that the only reason that the CEO of RBC took out a national newspaper ad APOLOGIZING for questionable corporate behaviour on the subject of the temporary worker program is the massive public response to the employee revelations that were covered by the media and the resulting negative commentary from representatives of the Federal Government.
Perhaps ALPA does not want to embarrass representatives of the Federal Government, their Ministries, and their agencies for possibly failing to understand and administer their own laws and policies or at least call in to question the scrutiny by the Government of the employer applications that were submitted for relief. Unfortunately, that would appear to be the most effective strategy.
jackrabbit wrote:If you would like to know, then ask your union rep or MEC chair what the position of the Canada Board is. Perhaps there is a reason they are not in the media. If you do not agree with that reason, then that is another issue entirely but I suspect since you work for Transat, you know that already.
Rudder beat me to it. The MEC does not know more than I do except that "the Canada Board is working behind the scenes". When I specifically asked about the Canada Board's position about the legality of the FLVC that the foreigners are using, they are at loss of words to explain.
Our members are very very unhappy and I am tired of being asked every day "What is ALPA Canada doing about this".
My personal opinion: protecting certain people who are not members of this Union.
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rudder wrote:
Perhaps ALPA does not want to embarrass representatives of the Federal Government, their Ministries, and their agencies for possibly failing to understand and administer their own laws and policies or at least call in to question the scrutiny by the Government of the employer applications that were submitted for relief. Unfortunately, that would appear to be the most effective strategy.
The BC miners went to court and obtained immediate results.
The RBC are also going to court and obtained immediate results.
ALPA Canada Board has been "working behind the scenes" for years and this situation for the pilots has only gotten worse every year.
rudder wrote:
Perhaps ALPA does not want to embarrass representatives of the Federal Government, their Ministries, and their agencies for possibly failing to understand and administer their own laws and policies or at least call in to question the scrutiny by the Government of the employer applications that were submitted for relief. Unfortunately, that would appear to be the most effective strategy.
The BC miners went to court and obtained immediate results.
The RBC are also going to court and obtained immediate results.
ALPA Canada Board has been "working behind the scenes" for years and this situation for the pilots has only gotten worse every year.
It's time for change.
To be clear, the "most effective strategy" comment was in reference to the RBC public outcry, not what ALPA is doing.
ALPA has articulated its position before committee(s) and at private meetings with representatives of Government. It is time to add a more public posture and the RBC debacle has created a unique and fortuitous opportunity. As they say, timing is everything. 2012/2013 is already behind us. This debate is all about 2013/2014.
They really should start doing something or when the government implements American style "right to work" legislation (ie right not to be forced to join a union and pay dues) they may find that they have a few less supporters.
Seems like Transport is allowing this to happen...it shouldn't be.....
I wonder if something has been written into the leases about hiring.....
If your not getting any response from Adamus and the Canada board, I suggest you send something to Lee Moak (ALPA National President) and demand a response as a member.
Newspapers are always looking to do articles....get in touch with a few.
In concert with the above, get in touch with the CBC and have one of their W5 correspondents look at it and do a piece....it would be national coverage.
Gilles Hudicourt wrote:By the way, I still have not received any reply to my December 2012 email to Dan Adamus, President of the ALPA Canada board.
I know that other people who have written to him about illegal FLVCs have also been ignored.
What is the position of the ALPA Canada board on this ? Many people would like to know.
rudder wrote:
jackrabbit wrote:If you would like to know, then ask your union rep or MEC chair what the position of the Canada Board is. Perhaps there is a reason they are not in the media. If you do not agree with that reason, then that is another issue entirely but I suspect since you work for Transat, you know that already.
The answer will likely be that ALPA is working "behind the scenes" with their contacts in YOW.
Problem is that the only reason that the CEO of RBC took out a national newspaper ad APOLOGIZING for questionable corporate behaviour on the subject of the temporary worker program is the massive public response to the employee revelations that were covered by the media and the resulting negative commentary from representatives of the Federal Government.
Perhaps ALPA does not want to embarrass representatives of the Federal Government, their Ministries, and their agencies for possibly failing to understand and administer their own laws and policies or at least call in to question the scrutiny by the Government of the employer applications that were submitted for relief. Unfortunately, that would appear to be the most effective strategy.
As a matter of common courtesy, you'd think that the President of the ALPA board would respond in some form to one of the members whose dues pay his salary. Even if it was a short message saying that 'ALPA is working on this issue, but not at liberty to discuss it at present' or some such thing.
As a card carrying member of ALPA, I can honestly say that you won't see much action on this from Mr. Dan Adamus, or anyone at the union.
ALPA, (IMHO) is all about south of the Border. As long as the foreign Pilot issue is not happening on there soil, then who cares about what happens up here.
These guys get there marching orders form Hernden, no question about it.
I pay over 2k per year in union dues to have my own MEC tell me that 'times have changed', 'we have to be competitive', not to mention the barrage of LOUs that go flying out the door every time the company wants a 'le't on the contract......it seems they are too busy protecting the companies and not looking after the people that pay the dues.
All for the joy of sitting on the toilet and reading the 'Airline Pilot' magazine, which is chocked full of items of concern in the United States.
I believe that Gilles has done more for this issue than any one person will ever do at ALPA.
A letter from Dan Adamus, President of the ALPA Canada board to Martin Eley, Director of TCCA has just surfaced through an access to information request. It is dated March 20th 2013. It questions the legality of the FLVCs provided to the foreign pilots of Canjet and Sunwing but not according to CAR 705.106 like we all did but just according to CAR 401.07 and 421.07.
