Slipping 172 with full flaps

[trey kule]

I think there is a bit of thread drift here.

We are not talking learning to slip, or using slips in general..
We are specifically discussing slipping with full flaps in a 172..Big difference.

My contribution to the drift was a result of my experiences over the years with new, inexperienced pilots learning something that is only appropriate in very limited circumstances (such as the forced approach in this case), and them making up any sort of justification to use it where it is not appropriate.

Witness the poster who originally stated they used the technique to get into Orillia...then 'clairified' that they only used it for a very short period and it was, as I understand it , because they just spotted some pot holes or something, and rather than landing past them or overshooting they assessed the best procedure was to land a bit shorter and drive through them.. I think I got that right.
Unfortunately that type of reasoning, in many many cases is just a pilot trying to justify using a procedure that is to be avoided.. There is an interesting couple of accident threads about pilots that do this type of reasoning..One is a Beaver where the pilot was properly given training in full flap landings which were to be used only in certain specific circumstances, and then promptly went out and magically found that all his landings needed to be done that way...well except for his last one when he wrote off a perfectly good plane and hurt some people.

Whenever someone does something that deviates from the norm, I always ask them if something goes wrong...anything...how are you going to explain that you needed to be doing this...Part of being young and inexperienced is that pilots feel they are invulnerable, want to have fun, dont understand the possible consequences of their actions, and feel they are to smart for anything to go wrong..
Planes get pranged and people get hurt when they occassionally run out of luck and find they were wrong....and reading some of the threads here I sense there may be one or two that just might fit into that catagory.

[pelmet]

If I remember correctly, I did slips in a Cessna 150.

It was much more fun to do in the Citabria though, that was fun.

But I have avoided doing it in Cessna's that say to avoid doing it with flaps extended. Many years ago I used to fly a 180 and 185. One of the other pilots who flew it said never to sideslip with flaps extended on that aircraft. He had done it and the aircraft suddenly pitched way down on final. So I just took his advice. I suppose if I need it in an emergency to make it into a location of a forced landing, then I will do it only as needed.

[photofly]

One is a Beaver where the pilot was properly given training in full flap landings which were to be used only in certain specific circumstances, and then promptly went out and magically found that all his landings needed to be done that way...well except for his last one when he wrote off a perfectly good plane and hurt some people.

misleading comparison, I think. What does the Beaver poh say about full flaps for landing?

[PilotDAR]

I don't have my Beaver POH with me, but I recall that the pilot can extend the flaps of a Beaver to a setting beyond full flaps. I was trained to not use maximum flap deflection in flight ever.

I suppose if I need it in an emergency to make it into a location of a forced landing, then I will do it only as needed.

Perhaps a bit of practice in non stressful conditions would enable you to be all the more prepared when things became tense? (particularly if you are leery of a pitchdown).

[pelmet]

I suppose if I need it in an emergency to make it into a location of a forced landing, then I will do it only as needed.

Perhaps a bit of practice in non stressful conditions would enable you to be all the more prepared when things became tense? (particularly if you are leery of a pitchdown).

I suppose at a relatively high altitude would work. Just never got around to doing that and seeing as final is where you will likely encounter a situation of considering sideslipping it was not the place for me to start trying.

Of course, I am talking about a forward slip manouver used to lose height.

[photofly]

but I recall that the pilot can extend the flaps of a Beaver to a setting beyond full flaps

That's very Spinal Tap!

[Instructor_Mike]

but I recall that the pilot can extend the flaps of a Beaver to a setting beyond full flaps

That's very Spinal Tap!

But my flaps go to 11 !!!!!