Still, kinda weird that the table ends at Year 12. The bigger eqpt Captains have 20+ years service. Is the pay the same after Year 12 vs Year 35?TheStig wrote:ogopogo wrote:I don’t understand those AC pay scale tables you see on here from time to time... for example: I know it takes many many years of service with AC to make it say, to B777 CA. So how can there be a figure shown for 01 Year of Service?
Youre right, there aren't any 767, 777, or 330 Captains who arent at the 12th year of the pay scale, but just because no one is a 777 Captain with one year of service doesn't mean there can't be a pay scale? It won't happen, but if someone were to bid and be awarded a 777 Captain position in their first year they'd need a pay rate wouldn't they.
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Yes, Year 13 and 14 pay scales were taken during Bankruptcy (I think, it was before my time). Pay scales are just now getting back to what they were pre-BK.ogopogo wrote:Still, kinda weird that the table ends at Year 12. The bigger eqpt Captains have 20+ years service. Is the pay the same after Year 12 vs Year 35?TheStig wrote:ogopogo wrote:I don’t understand those AC pay scale tables you see on here from time to time... for example: I know it takes many many years of service with AC to make it say, to B777 CA. So how can there be a figure shown for 01 Year of Service?
Youre right, there aren't any 767, 777, or 330 Captains who arent at the 12th year of the pay scale, but just because no one is a 777 Captain with one year of service doesn't mean there can't be a pay scale? It won't happen, but if someone were to bid and be awarded a 777 Captain position in their first year they'd need a pay rate wouldn't they.
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Are we getting full per diems during PIT and sim?
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Haha!! How much money do you want to make?? There has to be an end somewhere. Once you reach year 12 if that still isn't enough you can bid to larger equipment. And if Air Canada yr 12 777CA pay isn't enough for you, you are in the wrong profession. Even a GP physician has to work hard to make that much (in Ontario at least).ogopogo wrote:
Still, kinda weird that the table ends at Year 12. The bigger eqpt Captains have 20+ years service. Is the pay the same after Year 12 vs Year 35?
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It represents a pay reduction of about 1% per year between the current 12 year scale and the old 14 year scale times the number of years the Captain sits in that position times the total number of Captains. The numbers add up pretty quickly to see a massive labour cost savings for the corporation for the same labour. Where did that money go?MRP wrote:Haha!! How much money do you want to make?? There has to be an end somewhere. Once you reach year 12 if that still isn't enough you can bid to larger equipment. And if Air Canada yr 12 777CA pay isn't enough for you, you are in the wrong profession. Even a GP physician has to work hard to make that much (in Ontario at least).ogopogo wrote:
Still, kinda weird that the table ends at Year 12. The bigger eqpt Captains have 20+ years service. Is the pay the same after Year 12 vs Year 35?
It is my understanding that the corporation is NOT paying per diems while on PIT. If you are YYZ based and your sim training is in YYZ there are no per diems either.lov2fly wrote:Are we getting full per diems during PIT and sim?
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New hires are receiving per diems throughout the PIT course. Somewhere around 48 dollars per day, breakfast and lunch provided.
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No per diems during PIT and initial sim. Unless some thing has changed???
Stay at the Travelodge. The worst hotel you will ever stay at while working for Air Canada. Except for Whitehorse, all the AC hotels are really good.
Recurrent Sims and future training is all done at ACPA standards. According to the company you are not an active ACPA member until you complete your initial sims, so the contract doesn't apply as to per diems.
The first 2-3 pay cheques are pretty low, so expect that. After that the pay normalizes. With flight pay, per diems, allowances and 'other' the cheques are more than I was expecting based upon the $50ish/hr. All depends on block hours. The EMJ FO's are getting nailed with low blocks right now, 80hrs vs. 65hrs is a huge difference in T4 numbers.
I am making way less money right now than my last job, but the overall conditions are far better, and the pay escalates very quickly. (not as fast as before Gov't Contract though).
There are lots of really happy people at AC that love their jobs, the message boards are not a fair indication of the lifestyle you will have here.
AND it is not the job from 20yrs ago, so don't expect what you never had! I do however have great sympathy for the guys/gals that were here for 1) Merger 2)'911' 3)bankruptcy 4)SARS 5)last round of contract negotiations......... and that is only since 2000!
I'm happy I made the choice to come to AC
Mike

Stay at the Travelodge. The worst hotel you will ever stay at while working for Air Canada. Except for Whitehorse, all the AC hotels are really good.
Recurrent Sims and future training is all done at ACPA standards. According to the company you are not an active ACPA member until you complete your initial sims, so the contract doesn't apply as to per diems.
The first 2-3 pay cheques are pretty low, so expect that. After that the pay normalizes. With flight pay, per diems, allowances and 'other' the cheques are more than I was expecting based upon the $50ish/hr. All depends on block hours. The EMJ FO's are getting nailed with low blocks right now, 80hrs vs. 65hrs is a huge difference in T4 numbers.
I am making way less money right now than my last job, but the overall conditions are far better, and the pay escalates very quickly. (not as fast as before Gov't Contract though).
There are lots of really happy people at AC that love their jobs, the message boards are not a fair indication of the lifestyle you will have here.
AND it is not the job from 20yrs ago, so don't expect what you never had! I do however have great sympathy for the guys/gals that were here for 1) Merger 2)'911' 3)bankruptcy 4)SARS 5)last round of contract negotiations......... and that is only since 2000!
I'm happy I made the choice to come to AC
Mike
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+1 on that. My first year I took home a bit more than I expected and from a lifestyle perspective I have never had it this good. No regrets.
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Altiplano:
Can I ask what you're on and where you're based?
Can I ask what you're on and where you're based?
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The first few years pay at AC may not be spectacular, but it's the bottom rungs of a long ladder. And I agree with the above poster: lifestyle-wise, I have never had it so good before AC. And I'm a junior 320 rsv blockholder.
If you have the opportunity, it's a great gig.
If you have the opportunity, it's a great gig.