Are our CF-188s in Europe?

[azimuthaviation]

Very good points "Iflyforpie".

It's always refreshing to read something that stands out of the mass media koolaid many of us here in the west read and propagate.

+2

I disagree with some of his conclusions, but at least he has the facts to back them up. More people should take that example.

[AuxBatOn]

Right. Some place no ones ever heard of, no one ever cared about, no one ever mentioned (except me), is the same place the Globe and Mail has you guys convinced is the most important piece of land in the world today? You care about Crimeans? They were exiled from their land and sent to Siberia for 50 years before the ones who survived were allowed back. Who amongst you ever mentioned them? Now their plight suddenly matters to you? I smell the pungent stench of bullshit in the air.

It is of interest today because a country is slowly invading another. And killing lots of people in the process. Oh, and said country is bordering NATO countries...

[azimuthaviation]

Oh I didnt know NATOs mandate had changed from defending NATO countries to defending countries who want to join NATO to defending countries that border nations that want to join NATO.

BTW, NATO never would let Ukraine join. They US used that bait to string along Yanukovich into joining their "coalition" in Iraq. After a few years several dozen dead and wounded Ukrainian soldiers and contractors the US dropped those promises. They dropped Yanukovich too. He's in Russia now, after being pushed out of his own country. Yanukovich was there when US needed him, now when he needs an ally, he finds out who his real friends are. Hint: they arentthe ones who he sent his soldiers to die for.

[Mig29]

Now to be fair to the Turks, they arent the first NATO country (or any otehr country)to set up a false pretext for launching a preplanned war. Heck they arent even the first to be exposed. UK USA France have all played that card and got caught. But to be caught so redhanded beforehand and have their henious plans thwarted. You gotta give the Turkish press some serious credit. If the National Post, CNN, Sun Media, Fox News, Globe and Mail etc actually took a page from the Turkish press and did some serious journalism instead of parroting the official government press releases, we might find out the real reasons those F18's are in Poland.

+1

That wouldn't be the last time they pull this stunt and give themselves a ticket to bomb some country.
But what you mentioned about press investigating a story is what I'm trying to say to some guys here. There is always two sides of the truth and if you constantly follow just western side, you never get a full picture, however one side may be more correct or not.

[B208]

Oh I didnt know NATOs mandate had changed from defending NATO countries to defending countries who want to join NATO to defending countries that border nations that want to join NATO.

You will note that NATO is not defending Ukraine right now. The build up of NATO troops has thus far been in countries outside Ukraine.

Also, AA, do you think the world would be a better place if Putin's Russia were to supplant he West as the dominant power?

[Mig29]

Who were they defending when they bombed Libya or Yugoslavia?? Another NATO member?? I can recall that in case of Yugoslavia in 1999, they didn't even have an approval from United Nations security council!

[B208]

Who were they defending when they bombed Libya or Yugoslavia?? Another NATO member?? I can recall that in case of Yugoslavia in 1999, they didn't even have an approval from United Nations security council!

So, you are saying that Quadafi and Milosevic should have been left to thier own devices? You're pretty racist.

[azimuthaviation]

do you think the world would be a better place if Putin's Russia were to supplant he West as the dominant power?

Russia under Putin or anyone else has no chance of becoming the dominant world power. And if they did, so what? You think the west is doing the world a great favour? Although they treat their own citizens well, when the British, French, Americans, Dutch, Spanish etc were the dominant forces, they ruled with arrogance and brute. Look at the Chinese in Africa today, as they rise in dominance in the international stage. Investing in businesses, buying land, no strings attached aid, respecting the citizens of Africa and their sovereignty, making money being paid to build railways, dams and other infrastructure. Compare that with European colonialism in Africa. Which is better to you?

So, you are saying that Quadafi and Milosevic should have been left to thier own devices? You're pretty racist.

Im sure you dont know the meaning of the term "left to their own devices" or the definition of racist, because that statement makes zero sense.

For those of you war mongers, who are keen on dropping bombs on Russians, just remember on whose side they fought twice in the last two world wars

Just a little clarification, Russia didnt so much join the war on the side of Britain against Germany as Britain joined the war between Russia and Germany. The main ideological differences that were set to dominate Europe were based in Berlin and Moscow. Britain joined the lesser of two evils, history will judge if she chose the right side.