Airliner on fire in YYZ

No Conflict · Post by **No Conflict** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:15 pm

reporting only 14 injuries, nothing fatal.... wow... thank God!

clearedtowha? · Post by **clearedtowha?** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:17 pm

Good to hear!
i'm stuck at work with only a radio... and i'm in YWG so the coverage of the accident isn't quite up to date... thanks for the updates! and keep em comin!

my thoughts and prayers go out to the injured and all those affected.

LostinRotation · Post by **LostinRotation** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:18 pm

FL410 wrote:All survived.

Best news I've heard all day

-=0=LIR=0=-

skyhigh · Post by **skyhigh** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:24 pm

Some "pilot in training" on Global is giving his "expert" opinion on the matter and states that he would have never attempted to fly in that weather and that he was surprised that a commercial airliner was trying to land........Bring on the experts i guess.

Chris · Post by **Chris** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:37 pm

This douche bag 'Airline Expert' on CBC is really pissing me off.

"We can rule out a Red Alert being the cause, as they wouldn't be allowed to land during one"

No Conflict · Post by **No Conflict** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:38 pm

skyhigh wrote:Some "pilot in training" on Global is giving his "expert" opinion on the matter and states that he would have never attempted to fly in that weather and that he was surprised that a commercial airliner was trying to land........Bring on the experts i guess.

WELL, OBVIOUSLY, if he says it, we've been doing it wrong all these years...

try north · Post by **try north** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:40 pm

veryone should email CBC and let them know what a great job thier "Expert" is doing. What a jack A$$.

Glad to hear everyone is all right. Just a chunk of tin as long as everyone is ok.

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:43 pm

who is this jackass...

this is one of the times where I hope both pilots weren't screwing around... all tapes being pulled out

clearedtowha? · Post by **clearedtowha?** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:43 pm

anyone know the email address?

bizjet_mania · Post by **bizjet_mania** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 3:43 pm

297 passengers, 12 crew, 0 fatalities, very happy to hear noone killed and only minor injuries.

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:00 pm

Hmm if I were an accident investigator I’d sure like to inspect those tires for steam damage, unfortunately they probably didn’t survive the fire...

Sorry just thinking out loud..

Kurwa · Post by **Kurwa** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:16 pm

Does anyone know what governing body certifies an 'aviation' expert? Is it possible that I could be an 'aviation expert?' I do believe that I know just a bit more than Eddie Metts (City's guy) or Joseph d'Cruz (CBC)...is there money to be made in this line of work? Could I make a career out of it in case I get tired of flying a jet? I could even just do it on the side!

Better yet, lets have a Forum vote on who here is likely to be 'the' aviation expert (or at least in the top 5) to be contacted in case of the next aviation mishap that requires news coverage. I want to see news, not some aviation jacka$$ that has 'seen' an airplane once on T.V. giving the public the 'straight goods' on what happened to cause an airplane to have a misadventure.

I'm afraid I won't be in the running myself, as I'd better hit the books...I only got 84% on my ATPL. I'm nominating Cat Driver for starters...any seconds?

BTW, anybody know what a 'Red Alert' is at an airport? I know about red flares, red lights at the end of the 'Tarmac' or 'Driveway' as we've heard on the news today (no wait...I retract that one...the tarmac is still the tarmac...the Air France pilot 'missed the driveway', yes, that's what he said). Isn't that when your ITT goes, like, really into the red?

Okay, that's enough...I could go on all day.........

Rebel · Post by **Rebel** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:22 pm

Red alert has nothing to do with the landing and taking off of aircraft. In its simplest terms no one is allowed to work on the ramp due to possible lighting strikes and all that it implies.

quickflight · Post by **quickflight** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:23 pm

Well Kurwa, great thought but unfortunately, there are already several flight schools that are now offering the 'expert course' and if you are willing to pay for the course yourself than they will let you hold the microphone for the reporter until you can become a reporter yourself

4green · Post by **4green** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:31 pm

here's what was over toronto at the time:

and here's what was underneath:

quickflight · Post by **quickflight** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:33 pm

pretty....

Pourdu_fun · Post by **Pourdu_fun** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:43 pm

Nice pic. And good to know that no one was killed.

Pourdu_fun

Wasn't Me · Post by **Wasn't Me** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 4:48 pm

The crew did a great job of getting the Pax out. The Flight attendants should get a medal. The fire equipment was on sight in less than a minute, they should also be congradulated. I'll bet the crash button in Toronto tower was pushed well before the A/C came to a stop and congradulations to them as well. It's nice when a system comes together to save so many lives.

As for the B/S reporting well we all know how silly they sound.

Canoehead · Post by **Canoehead** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:14 pm

Yeah. I hope the "experts" all hear some feedback on their "analysis".

Harry Gow, from Transport 2000 should stick to his job of being a usless advocate for pax. We don't need him telling the country what happens on an airplane during a microburst. What a talking bafoon.

Miles O'Brien at CNN has a private licence. So the network insists on getting his incredible wealth of knowledge out to everyone. Another knob.

Dave Duvall (the old CTV weather guy since the beginning of TV) was even giving some "expert" opinion on why it crashed.

And of course Mr. D'Cruz. What an amazing fountain of credible information he is.

I cannot imagine how these people sleep at night. They must realize that they sound like idiots to those of us with some more intimate knowledge on the subject. What a shame. Absolute idiots. And the networks are no better because they keep pushing for the answers they "want" to hear.

Everyone is a pilot during these situations.

Main Gear · Post by **Main Gear** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:23 pm

4green wrote:
and here's what was underneath:

Wow. Clouds under Toronto

I new what you meant, but I had to say it

TR · Post by TR » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:33 pm

I agree with Wasn't Me. A long or maybe fast landing, and maybe a little hydroplaning thrown in, resulted in a very serious situation. The fact that everyone escaped unhurt is a testament to all the investigations of years past and the way they have improved aircraft safety. Accidents happen, and when everyone can walk way from a totally wrecked plane, people should take credit for their part in improving aircraft safety (TSB). Twenty years ago, with same situation, the outcome may have been not so positive. Fumes from burning seats, lack of exits, or improperly briefed passengers, may have lead to more serious injuries.

costermonger · Post by **costermonger** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:52 pm

The fact that nobody was even seriously injured is a testament to the professionalism of all involved.

"Come to Toronto - Even our plane crashes are safe!"

Cool Rythms! · Post by **Cool Rythms!** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:56 pm

Nice pics 4green. I'm quite a weather fanatic and that's probably the second time I've ever seen mamma clouds associated with CB's. Just the mere sight of those clouds means that there's some serious convective activity going on. If they were in the vicinity of YYZ, I'm almost certain they were mentioned in the METAR. In any case, I extend my prayers to all who were onboard. Thank God there were no casualties. It just was'nt their time I guess. I'm sure we can all just imagine how it could have turned out. From what I heard on the news just after 7 PM, there were only 24 minor injuries, out of some 309 souls onboard. Apparently, the emergency teams were on the scene within moments of the crash. The airport should aready have resumed normal operations, from what I heard earlier. I did hear something about one of the pilots being among the injured. Anyone have details on that?

snag · Post by **snag** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 5:58 pm

They DID bring up a couple of real experts, except that these guys all had the same line : "no comment till the facts come out", and that just don't make for good tv. Always better someone that can give you 101 reasons for why it crashed, and how they could have predicted it all along.

Also did anyone notice how the scale of coverage changed once they found out everyone was alive? Stations cut to commercial and many channels resumed ongoing shows. Makes my head hurt...

Bede · Post by **Bede** » Tue Aug 02, 2005 6:03 pm

Sulako wrote:Interesting. I'm not gonna speculate, just point out something.

A guy says he saw the plane get hit by lightning as it landed.

A pax says the power failed just before they touched down.

The fly-by-wire airplane ran off the end of the runway.

That might just be the best guess ever. Sounds good anyways.