ATTENTION all 702 703 Operators!

This forum has been developed to discuss aviation related topics.

Moderators: sky's the limit, sepia, Sulako, lilfssister, North Shore, I WAS Birddog

NotDirty!
Rank 7
Rank 7
Posts: 554
Joined: Wed May 21, 2014 4:04 pm

Re: ATTENTION all 702 703 Operators!

Post by NotDirty! »

Heliian wrote:I would just like to point out that your FDP ends when you shut the engines off and have no more flights. All the work you do after that does not count to your duty period like the current 30 minutes or however you interpret it.
It's actually "no intention for further aircraft movement by the same flight crew member" which I see as a "dig" at those operators who have previously had their off duty (gaining their required duty rest!) flight crews taxi their aircraft from the gate to the hangar, often reducing the time free from duty well below the (correct) interpretation of the current CARs. Presently, the CARs does not add any time for post flight duties to your "duty day" for 702/203 (it's 15 minutes for 704/705), but your "time free from duty" should mean just that... free from duty!
The NPA defines "Rest period" with "... flight crew member is free of all duties", so you have to be parked with engines off within your 13 hr or less FDP, but your rest period does not start until you are free of all duties, so your next FDP is limited by when you are actually released from all duties.
---------- ADS -----------
 
eh3fifty
Rank 3
Rank 3
Posts: 127
Joined: Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:35 am

Re: ATTENTION all 702 703 Operators!

Post by eh3fifty »

Presently, the CARs does not add any time for post flight duties to your "duty day" for 702/203 (it's 15 minutes for 704/705), but your "time free from duty" should mean just that... free from duty!
The NPA defines "Rest period" with "... flight crew member is free of all duties", so you have to be parked with engines off within your 13 hr or less FDP, but your rest period does not start until you are free of all duties, so your next FDP is limited by when you are actually released from all duties.
Bingo!

End of duty time for 703 is engines off and for 704/705 it's 15 minutes after... as a minimum, by law. If you are still performing duties then you are not done your duty day. If my company wants me to fill in the paperwork for the flight afterwards and talk to maintenance about snags I've written in the book then that'll be part of my duty day. My duty day does not end until I'm done performing the duties listed under my position in the Company Operations Manual. If the company is forcing me to have my duty day end at engines off for 703 then I'll be walking straight off the airplane and to my car.

And that's based on the current regulations. You should already be following this. These new proposed regulations should make this matter even clearer though.
---------- ADS -----------
 
“No one can realize how substantial the air is, until he feels its supporting power beneath him. It inspires confidence at once.”

-Otto Lilienthal
Post Reply

Return to “General Comments”