Encore Recalls

[Maxpwr]

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[pacman007]

It costs SFA to train even a full initial. A Few ground sessions followed by the only “real” cost being 6 sims + ride. Day 1 to PPC in less than a month.

This is probably true. But it’s the time it takes for 200 + pilots that’s the issue. With 1 sim how many can they possibly push through in a month? 40?maybe 50 pilots? So by the time
You train everyone recalls will be happening. And I think you guys have the option to go to swoop do
You not? So any swoop recalls will be WestJet pilots from encore also. You can correct me
If I’m wrong but I think that’s how it will work for you guys.

[DirtyDashDriver]

But it’s the time it takes for 200 + pilots that’s the issue. With 1 sim how many can they possibly push through in a month? 40?maybe 50 pilots?

To be clear, sim time is not what will cause the delay in training for anyone bumping down from mainline to Encore, it is the lack of flying. Let's say only 150 pilots require line indoctrination and consolidation, that'll be somewhere between 7,500 and 22,500 hours depending on which scale the pilots can be consolidated under. I have no clue how many hours Encore is flying in a month, but I doubt it's anywhere near those numbers. That means that some, if not most, will go through multiple rounds of line indoc until they're consolidated.

It makes no sense for Encore to go ahead and train all the bump downs quickly because they'll just end up sitting in line indoc purgatory. My guess is that quite a few of those bump downs will be sitting at home earning the minimum MMG waiting for the backlog to clear. By the time is all said and done, it'll be no less than 8 months to a year before everyone is trained assuming everything goes tickity boo.

[pacman007]

So what will all the bump down pilots do? Sit at home and not get trained?

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

So what will all the bump down pilots do? Sit at home and not get trained?

PTA promises them a job at Encore... it doesn’t promise an expedient training.

[Yycjetdriver]

So what will all the bump down pilots do? Sit at home and not get trained?

PTA promises them a job at Encore... it doesn’t promise an expedient training.

Far far far cheaper to have them sitting at home doing nothing at any Encore wage than what they would be making on a reduced block had MOA4 passed.

[Blue42]

So what will all the bump down pilots do? Sit at home and not get trained?

PTA promises them a job at Encore... it doesn’t promise an expedient training.

Some are already scheduled to be trained in April, many will not though...

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Have we heard any updates on more recalls?

[Tolip]

Have we heard any updates on more recalls?

Havnt herd anything on the encore side of things, as of the most recent WJ bump downs, encore has all the pilots they need (and then some) what we really need to see is recalls at westjet so that we can free up some seats at encore for recalls. I think encore is actually staffing almost as many active pilots now as they were in 2019 (just all the seats being occupied by mainliners) Likly wont hear anything new until current MOA ends.

But some good news tho, sounds like some recalls are being planned at jazz for like 150 pilots and potentially alot more come fall. And if jazz is doing that, I assume we will see encore doing the same. Just no word on it yet

[pacman007]

What happens when the current MOA ends? Is it the same as WestJet? More layoffs if they snap back?

[Tolip]

What happens when the current MOA ends? Is it the same as WestJet? More layoffs if they snap back?

Well current MOA for encore ends in june, So we will just have to wait and see what the outlook is at that time and what kind of bargaining goes on between the company and union. Two possible outcomes that I see

One; with encore being so overstaffed, the company may choose to end MOA protections and at that time could lay off more encore pilots and train more of the bumpdowns that came from WJ.

Or two; with a better out look on the horizon and with new government spending programs that help cover the cost of rehiring staff and the extension of CEWS, the company/union may come to a favorable new MOA4 agreement with conditions in it for recalls. We will just have to wait and see, I'm optimistic

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Check your email and have a wonderful day!

[shawnthesheep]

Check your email and have a wonderful day!

125 Recalls by July 1

[Yycjetdriver]

Check your email and have a wonderful day!

125 Recalls by July 1

Safe to assume those spots will all be filled with mainline pilots?
Given the recent round of 400 layoffs and the fact most of them had a fair amount of seniority.

[shawnthesheep]

Check your email and have a wonderful day!

125 Recalls by July 1

Safe to assume those spots will all be filled with mainline pilots?
Given the recent round of 400 layoffs and the fact most of them had a fair amount of seniority.

Sounds like this is all new guys. This isn't a reduction bid. It's gonna be all laid off guys

[CaptainHaddock]

Look like the ‘training’ purgatory of 55MMG is gone also for the bump down pilots. They will earn whatever the monthly blocking window is.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

125 Recalls by July 1

Safe to assume those spots will all be filled with mainline pilots?
Given the recent round of 400 layoffs and the fact most of them had a fair amount of seniority.

Sounds like this is all new guys. This isn't a reduction bid. It's gonna be all laid off guys

That is correct. Even though there’s going to be outrage and maybe a grievance filed by the WJAMEC, the only people eligible for this recall are pilots who were furloughed from Encore. If a WJA or WSW pilot did not bump into Encore, they’re not considered being furloughed from Encore.

[Yycjetdriver]

Safe to assume those spots will all be filled with mainline pilots?
Given the recent round of 400 layoffs and the fact most of them had a fair amount of seniority.

Sounds like this is all new guys. This isn't a reduction bid. It's gonna be all laid off guys

That is correct. Even though there’s going to be outrage and maybe a grievance filed by the WJAMEC, the only people eligible for this recall are pilots who were furloughed from Encore. If a WJA or WSW pilot did not bump into Encore, they’re not considered being furloughed from Encore.

Short term gain for long term pain.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Who's feeling the pain?

[Zanzibar]

I am curious...have mainline bump downs to encore started to train up on the Q

[Babar350]

Safe to assume those spots will all be filled with mainline pilots?
Given the recent round of 400 layoffs and the fact most of them had a fair amount of seniority.

Sounds like this is all new guys. This isn't a reduction bid. It's gonna be all laid off guys

That is correct. Even though there’s going to be outrage and maybe a grievance filed by the WJAMEC, the only people eligible for this recall are pilots who were furloughed from Encore. If a WJA or WSW pilot did not bump into Encore, they’re not considered being furloughed from Encore.

How do you know there won't be any mainline recalls announced in couple of weeks?
Recall doesn't mean being trained.

[Yycjetdriver]

Who's feeling the pain?

Those that will be affected when the “one list” disappears. Covid has brought to light the issues with the one list and the companies ability/willingness to circumvent it. It’s only a matter of time before it’s voted out.

[notwhoyouthinkIam]

Sounds like this is all new guys. This isn't a reduction bid. It's gonna be all laid off guys

That is correct. Even though there’s going to be outrage and maybe a grievance filed by the WJAMEC, the only people eligible for this recall are pilots who were furloughed from Encore. If a WJA or WSW pilot did not bump into Encore, they’re not considered being furloughed from Encore.

How do you know there won't be any mainline recalls announced in couple of weeks?
Recall doesn't mean being trained.

You might have misunderstood me.

The 125 recalls are being offered ONLY to those who were furloughed from Encore.

This is not at all related to the 80 recalls at WJ.

[Greasy Greaser]

Who's feeling the pain?

Those that will be affected when the “one list” disappears. Covid has brought to light the issues with the one list and the companies ability/willingness to circumvent it. It’s only a matter of time before it’s voted out.

2023 is when the new CA comes in for WS & WSW which is when this is most likely going to happen as we all already know.
This whole process has been a mess and I feel for the guys/gals who are going to be affected by this. Hopefully doesn't happen imo.

[Blue42]

I am curious...have mainline bump downs to encore started to train up on the Q

There have been a couple ground schools so far, next is planned for Jun 7th YYZ base.....subject to change now I’m guessing