High oil takes toll on WestJet

[aroundthewing]

And try to get a high school student to do that work in Alberta for $8/hr!! LOL!! Do some research.
Get your facts straight champ!

It starts by getting rid of those 50,60,70, whatever $$ rampies & FAs that are overpaid.
I don't get it....Why should an FA / rampy make so much? Anybody can put on a fake smile, serve coffee and point towards the emergency exits. Meanwhile a pilot has to pay 40K for training, study hard, practise hard, suffer & get what......33.3k to start ?

It's hard to discuss ego driven idiotic statements like yours. If a person wants work as much o/t as allowed to increase the salary...so what? Contract ground workers have made over $55k working o/t. So what? Laborers at the oil patch have made $100k/year working lots of o/t. So what? A pilot starts off underpaid. Too low. I agree. But ends up a fair bit higher in time. I don't know what that time frame is. You tell me.

And try to get a high school student to do that work in Alberta for $8/hr!! LOL!! Do some research.
Get your facts straight champ!

I understand that the Unions create barriers.

I heard that if senior pilots volunteered to lower their income, that junior pilots would get a raise, but these "union barriers" you speak of prevent that. Are you one of those union barriers?

You (they) were overpaid. Period. And I still believe what I heard from so many.

Tony, don't be so gullible! Or are you trying to be?


You and Tony are basing your wage argument on unfounded rumours and stories for no other reason than to mislead people. Why? No rampie makes or has made $100k at AC only! And that ex-shop steward fella'....probably works in the garage!

[aroundthewing]

AC pilot wages should not be relative to rampies, CSA nor FAs wages. They should be compared to other legacy/national carriers wages...
I strongly believe that skilled workers should be paid way more then unskilled workers.

I would say a seasoned pilot makes about at least $180K/yr more than a new rampie. What do you classify as "skilled"?

[THEICEMAN]

What about the average?

What do you classify as "skilled"?

Must I really answer that!

[aroundthewing]

What about the average?

With 35%+ p/t .......you do the math since you already think you know the answer.

What do you classify as "skilled"?

Must I really answer that!

Sure, why not? Since you seem to think that f/as' are not skilled, it would be interesting where your ego places other staff!

[THEICEMAN]

oh c'mon cut the rhetoric.....

Examples of high skill jobs:
-Pilots
-Engineers
-AME
-market planners
-management
-People who studied hard to get an education or some kind of special training, etc....

Examples of low skill jobs:
-F/As (Also known as people that just serve cookies, smile, point to emergency exits & think that they are super important. Also known as people who keep quoting transport Canada regulation without knowing what the heck the abbreviation "CARS" means.)
-Rampies (doesn't take an MBA to do that job!)
-CSA (I worked as a CSA part time last year. Can be a very stressfull job, but does not require special training)
-Cleaners (last I checked, Universities still don't offer an undergrad degree in janitorial work! When will they learn? )
-Jobs that only require a high school degree with no special ttraining at all. The positions that anybody can attain, so long as you don't have a criminal record!


I don't want to discuss this issue any further! I can agree that senior people shoulld make 40-50K...but anything higher is crazy!
The days of TCA are over & AC has shareholders to report to now. Profit margins that are <1% is not what the company aims for.

Remember that when times get bad, <1% profit margins are going to turn into -5%. If or when that happens, jobs are going to get cut & wages are going down!

[aroundthewing]

oh c'mon cut the rhetoric.....


I don't want to discuss this issue any further! I can agree that senior people shoulld make 40-50K...but anything higher is crazy!

Cheers!

[Four1oh]

ok then, back on topic. I think what's really going on has nothing to do with high oil, and everything to do with a slow moving stock market crash. The shizzle is hitting the nizzle out there. The stock market is angry today, my friends...

[sanjet]

http://ca.news.finance.yahoo.com/s/1801 ... alyst.html

Canada's airline industry looks set to finally join the downturn in the United States, an analyst said on Friday as he cut his outlook on the country's major carriers, Air Canada and WestJet Airlines Ltd .