You have your citizenship. We do provide you with something. It's MORE than material. That is hypocrite. Give your citizenship away, or play by the rules every canadians play by. Period.tehmastermonk wrote:Rockie wrote:Beats me how you equate not paying taxes to being responsible. To the rest of us you're a deadbeat we have to support with infrastructure and security we provide for you. You reject citizenship as illegitimate and you say it does not apply to you. If you believed half of what you spew you would renounce your citizenship, but you don't do you? It's too valuable to you. You benefit too much from it to give it up, and that's why you're a hypocritical hack. A pretender to self-responsibility and discipline when really, you're just a bum.
You should also seriously consider shoplifting a new keyboard. I think Rob Menard snuck into the house you're squatting in and mixed up the letters.
first of all you dont provide me with anything.. not one service.
and you are the bum. you are the one putting words into my mouth i didnt say, and you are the one that would be in the welfare line up if you lost ur job
you are the one that would take employment insurance and the first to cry to your neigbor about politics, yet you are the last one to step up and make a stand.
you and your whole ME first thinking done give two shits about anything that doesnt directly threaten your creature comforts. once those are gone you wont know wtf to do or how to survive. you would be lost because your government had babysat you and what a tantrum you people have wehn the government offers the people the chance to take responsibility! you rockie are the bum. i work for my money and refuse to give it to liears and thieves.
Love Letter to WestJet Employees
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Going for the deck at corner
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
I think you need to look around and take inventory of yourself. You live in a safe, peaceful society that is provided by us, not you. You live in a house that has running water and electricity don't you? If that house catches fire won't it be the fire department that comes and puts it out at risk to themselves? If someone breaks into your house will you call the police? Was any of your suspect education provided by the public school system? Do you ever go see a doctor? If you go missing who will it be that looks for you and saves your ungrateful ass?
Our society provides you with countless services that you conveniently ignore in your self-righteousness. By far the biggest and most valuable is citizenship, and after 25 pages you still haven't explained why you won't renounce it.
Our society provides you with countless services that you conveniently ignore in your self-righteousness. By far the biggest and most valuable is citizenship, and after 25 pages you still haven't explained why you won't renounce it.
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
I think the possibility has to at least be considered given the evidence.
"Trolls are usually sad, lonely folk, with few social skills; they rarely make what most people would consider intelligent conversation. However, they frequently have an obsession with their IQ and feel the need to tell everyone."
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scirefacias
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Early into my Adventure in Freedom, I asked myself a Big Question: is it right to give away the Keys to the Kingdom? And I thought, and I thought, and I thought some more whereupon I did come to a conclusion: most people do not want the Keys to the Kingdom; they want three squares a day and more of the same. Thus, even telling them that they are free, they do not want to learn it, and lo, they do not.
"that does not free me from the criminal code, nor does it free me from honor."
--tehmastermonk (sorry if I misspelled that, but as far as spells go, it's the sound, not the orthography, the Law refusing to recognize that delictful science)
It does indeed exempt you from the Criminal Code; indeed, it exempts you from all purely statutory law. Statutes which expressly state their intent to clarify the common law, perhaps those are in force, but there is a serious question as to whether or not CANADA is competent to clarify the common law of the English People as established by their Kings, Lords, Barons, Earls, etc. assembled in michelgemote, etc. and so on and so forth.
A statute is the judgement of some court; the judgements of the High Court of Parliament holden at Westminfter are typically called statutes. The judgements of the Court of Parliament holden at Ottawa are the Statutes of the Dominion of Canada. The Dominion of Canada is, almost needless to say, not the only dominion.
As a stack, here it is:
Statute Law
Common Law
Law of God (the Law)
The Law of God is fixed and eternal.
The Common Law is grounded upon that fixed and eternal Law. Statutes (judgements) were sometimes used to clarify or redress certain defects to the Common Law; that is, insofar as the Common Law derogates or interferes with the full use and enjoyment of the Law of God, it is holden for none and must be voided. So the purpose of statute law isn't to change the common law to whatever the commons of the day decide; it is purely for ensuring continual comity with the Law of God.
I will declare the Law unto you, tehmastermonk:
the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son: this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt crush them with a scepter of iron, and break them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Be wise now therefore, ye Kings: be learned ye Judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord in fear, and rejoice in trembling.
Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, when his wrath shall suddenly burn. Blessed are all that trust in him.
"Beats me how you equate not paying taxes to being responsible."
Paying taxes supports the enactment of Wrongs such as War, Intellectual Property and so forth; thus, not paying taxes is very responsible insofar as if everyone stopped paying taxes there would be very much less War, Intellectual Property, etc. Perhaps you would rather be responsible for War. You'll note no one is saying you ought not pay taxes; it is your choice if you want to be a judgement debtor to the various Tax Acts. And before the predictable argument of "oh, so you don't pay PST/GST/HST/whatever when you buy a chocolate bar!! And if you do you are obviously a hypocrite", it is very difficult arguing with shopkeepers; you understand that many of them actually believe that violence ought be used to protect their lucre, right? And not against people stealing it to resell; we're talking using violence against people lifting potato chips for themselves. Gleaning, as itwere.
"To the rest of us you're a deadbeat we have to support with infrastructure and security we provide for you."
Oh, you're the ones doing that? Fancy that, I thought it was God. I suppose we have different beliefs; you would like to attribute glory to yourself (and whoever else is included in your "us") whereas I myself leave Glory to Him who created all---God, our Glorious Eternal King and Ruler for eternity. Of course, those with inadequate imaginations cannot conceive of the eternal; and, therefore, they demand temporal kings. And these days they won't even directly demand a King; they want a Parliament/Congress/Legislature invested with all the power of a Tyrant King, and yet they won't say that's what they want. "We want to be ruled with an Iron Fist! Any less and our security and infrastructure will crumble!" And that is a fine thing to want; however, not everyone is so cowardly.
"You reject citizenship as illegitimate and you say it does not apply to you. If you believed half of what you spew you would renounce your citizenship, but you don't do you?"
Seneca says that the wise men know each day is a new life. So, I woke up one morning, and where did I put my Canadian Citizenship? Oh, that's right, it is puerly (ha ha) contemplative; it's not like at birth they tie a rock around your neck and send you on your way with a note saying "return to Sender if you ever get tired of citizenship." Citizenship exists only "in theatrum", as it were. Whether or not one "has citizenship" is really more a question of whether it is a fact that the parties to a given action will admit. If there is a contention as to Citizenship, then there will be specific rules for the determination thereof; but as far as I am aware no one is claiming Canadian Citizenship nor is anyone claiming that this freedom flows from Canadian Citizenship. And as for formal renouncement, why? Simply awake on a New Day and leave that ghastly business behind. You don't need to ask. You don't need to declare anything except, as Oscar Wilde said to the US Customs, your genius.
"It's too valuable to you. You benefit too much from it to give it up, and that's why you're a hypocritical hack. A pretender to self-responsibility and discipline when really, you're just a bum."
A bum is a butt is a small piece of Land. So, yeah, a bum, that is, a part of the Land, that is, not part of a Military Theatre Production called CANADA. Every play has an EXEUNT call, and you might want to stay on the stage after the Main Company has left the theatre, but some of us want to go back outside because the Stars have come out, and therefore we've won the battel. None of you are able to read or argue for anything except in terms of consensus: "we are right because there are lots of us, and even though we may be stupid, there are lots of us, and some of us know how to use firearms! Agree with us or we will call you names and lecture you about how our industrial wage-labor is something on which you depend, and therefore, due to your buying electricity from us, we are able to control every aspect of your life!!"
Who makes electricity? Who causes the Sun to shine on us, making us All Bright? Do you all do these things? Who made you? Did you form your own bones in your mother's womb? If you saw your scalp and face melt away to reveal your skull, would you think "ah, what a work I am, of mine own hands," or would you be in awe that your skeleton, which you did not make, is the structure that enables all of your vain works? The Beaver builds dams; do they extract taxes from the other beavers who live therein? Do they dress up in fancy clothing and hold parliaments? They do all the industrial labor you think requires taxation without any taxation at all; ditto for bees, ants and many other creatures.
There's nothing wrong with being a drone, but it does get to be a drone when the drone of the drones is that all must be drones, which is manifestly false. What of the King Bee?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlIisoo-FHM
"that does not free me from the criminal code, nor does it free me from honor."
--tehmastermonk (sorry if I misspelled that, but as far as spells go, it's the sound, not the orthography, the Law refusing to recognize that delictful science)
It does indeed exempt you from the Criminal Code; indeed, it exempts you from all purely statutory law. Statutes which expressly state their intent to clarify the common law, perhaps those are in force, but there is a serious question as to whether or not CANADA is competent to clarify the common law of the English People as established by their Kings, Lords, Barons, Earls, etc. assembled in michelgemote, etc. and so on and so forth.
A statute is the judgement of some court; the judgements of the High Court of Parliament holden at Westminfter are typically called statutes. The judgements of the Court of Parliament holden at Ottawa are the Statutes of the Dominion of Canada. The Dominion of Canada is, almost needless to say, not the only dominion.
As a stack, here it is:
Statute Law
Common Law
Law of God (the Law)
The Law of God is fixed and eternal.
The Common Law is grounded upon that fixed and eternal Law. Statutes (judgements) were sometimes used to clarify or redress certain defects to the Common Law; that is, insofar as the Common Law derogates or interferes with the full use and enjoyment of the Law of God, it is holden for none and must be voided. So the purpose of statute law isn't to change the common law to whatever the commons of the day decide; it is purely for ensuring continual comity with the Law of God.
I will declare the Law unto you, tehmastermonk:
the Lord hath said unto me, Thou art my Son: this day have I begotten thee.
Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the ends of the earth for thy possession.
Thou shalt crush them with a scepter of iron, and break them in pieces like a potter’s vessel.
Be wise now therefore, ye Kings: be learned ye Judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord in fear, and rejoice in trembling.
Kiss the son, lest he be angry, and ye perish in the way, when his wrath shall suddenly burn. Blessed are all that trust in him.
"Beats me how you equate not paying taxes to being responsible."
Paying taxes supports the enactment of Wrongs such as War, Intellectual Property and so forth; thus, not paying taxes is very responsible insofar as if everyone stopped paying taxes there would be very much less War, Intellectual Property, etc. Perhaps you would rather be responsible for War. You'll note no one is saying you ought not pay taxes; it is your choice if you want to be a judgement debtor to the various Tax Acts. And before the predictable argument of "oh, so you don't pay PST/GST/HST/whatever when you buy a chocolate bar!! And if you do you are obviously a hypocrite", it is very difficult arguing with shopkeepers; you understand that many of them actually believe that violence ought be used to protect their lucre, right? And not against people stealing it to resell; we're talking using violence against people lifting potato chips for themselves. Gleaning, as itwere.
"To the rest of us you're a deadbeat we have to support with infrastructure and security we provide for you."
Oh, you're the ones doing that? Fancy that, I thought it was God. I suppose we have different beliefs; you would like to attribute glory to yourself (and whoever else is included in your "us") whereas I myself leave Glory to Him who created all---God, our Glorious Eternal King and Ruler for eternity. Of course, those with inadequate imaginations cannot conceive of the eternal; and, therefore, they demand temporal kings. And these days they won't even directly demand a King; they want a Parliament/Congress/Legislature invested with all the power of a Tyrant King, and yet they won't say that's what they want. "We want to be ruled with an Iron Fist! Any less and our security and infrastructure will crumble!" And that is a fine thing to want; however, not everyone is so cowardly.
"You reject citizenship as illegitimate and you say it does not apply to you. If you believed half of what you spew you would renounce your citizenship, but you don't do you?"
Seneca says that the wise men know each day is a new life. So, I woke up one morning, and where did I put my Canadian Citizenship? Oh, that's right, it is puerly (ha ha) contemplative; it's not like at birth they tie a rock around your neck and send you on your way with a note saying "return to Sender if you ever get tired of citizenship." Citizenship exists only "in theatrum", as it were. Whether or not one "has citizenship" is really more a question of whether it is a fact that the parties to a given action will admit. If there is a contention as to Citizenship, then there will be specific rules for the determination thereof; but as far as I am aware no one is claiming Canadian Citizenship nor is anyone claiming that this freedom flows from Canadian Citizenship. And as for formal renouncement, why? Simply awake on a New Day and leave that ghastly business behind. You don't need to ask. You don't need to declare anything except, as Oscar Wilde said to the US Customs, your genius.
"It's too valuable to you. You benefit too much from it to give it up, and that's why you're a hypocritical hack. A pretender to self-responsibility and discipline when really, you're just a bum."
A bum is a butt is a small piece of Land. So, yeah, a bum, that is, a part of the Land, that is, not part of a Military Theatre Production called CANADA. Every play has an EXEUNT call, and you might want to stay on the stage after the Main Company has left the theatre, but some of us want to go back outside because the Stars have come out, and therefore we've won the battel. None of you are able to read or argue for anything except in terms of consensus: "we are right because there are lots of us, and even though we may be stupid, there are lots of us, and some of us know how to use firearms! Agree with us or we will call you names and lecture you about how our industrial wage-labor is something on which you depend, and therefore, due to your buying electricity from us, we are able to control every aspect of your life!!"
Who makes electricity? Who causes the Sun to shine on us, making us All Bright? Do you all do these things? Who made you? Did you form your own bones in your mother's womb? If you saw your scalp and face melt away to reveal your skull, would you think "ah, what a work I am, of mine own hands," or would you be in awe that your skeleton, which you did not make, is the structure that enables all of your vain works? The Beaver builds dams; do they extract taxes from the other beavers who live therein? Do they dress up in fancy clothing and hold parliaments? They do all the industrial labor you think requires taxation without any taxation at all; ditto for bees, ants and many other creatures.
There's nothing wrong with being a drone, but it does get to be a drone when the drone of the drones is that all must be drones, which is manifestly false. What of the King Bee?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlIisoo-FHM
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Renounce you Citizenship and see what happens...
Going for the deck at corner
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Hey scarefacias, I wouldn't mind a new addition on my house. Would you mind calling God over to take care of it for me?
Oh, almost forgot. Do you use cash?
Oh, almost forgot. Do you use cash?
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
"Hey scarefacias, I wouldn't mind a new addition on my house. Would you mind calling God over to take care of it for me?"
Well, I will say a prayer for you:
Our father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy Kingdom come
Thy will be done
In Earth as it is In Heaven
Give us this, our daily bread
And forgive us our debts
As we forgive those in debt to us
And lead us not into temptation
And deliver us from Evil.
If you already have a house, what's the need for an addition? The Lord has already established the whole Earth; and you want more, more, more! When will you say "enough"?
"Oh, almost forgot. Do you use cash?"
Cash? Do you mean the coloured pieces of paper? Is this now the last refuge? "Oh, we've monopolized the issue of debt-script, so you needs must use that, so we own you!!!" Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God's what is God's. What is Caesar's? Nothing. What is God's? Everything.
"He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small ;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all."
--Coleridge
Well, I will say a prayer for you:
Our father who art in heaven
Hallowed be thy name
Thy Kingdom come
Thy will be done
In Earth as it is In Heaven
Give us this, our daily bread
And forgive us our debts
As we forgive those in debt to us
And lead us not into temptation
And deliver us from Evil.
If you already have a house, what's the need for an addition? The Lord has already established the whole Earth; and you want more, more, more! When will you say "enough"?
"Oh, almost forgot. Do you use cash?"
Cash? Do you mean the coloured pieces of paper? Is this now the last refuge? "Oh, we've monopolized the issue of debt-script, so you needs must use that, so we own you!!!" Render unto Caesar what is Caesar's and render unto God's what is God's. What is Caesar's? Nothing. What is God's? Everything.
"He prayeth best, who loveth best
All things both great and small ;
For the dear God who loveth us,
He made and loveth all."
--Coleridge
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Yeah, that's the stuff. Ever use it?scirefacias wrote:Cash? Do you mean the coloured pieces of paper?
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scirefacias
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Not this lifetime.
Who's to say what the morrow and its new life bring?
Are you now going to repeat your sewage treatment/roadways/electricity/telephones argument, except as applied to pieces of paper? In terms of accession, the view that the man accedes to his currency is flawed; a man is worth much more than any debt note, and, thusly, the note accedes to him.
One may view those coloured pieces of paper as having a wide legal signifigance; one may also view them as rather bare things, that is, things which one may give to the legally insane inhabitants of the world such that they will do stuff for you. For example, you walk into a Railroad Hotel Bar, slap a purple one onto the counter, and say "I am Diogenes! Give me a Whiskey!" and more or less they will. Whiskey for coloured paper? Wow, what a world; no wonder the alcoholic-and-hangers-on set is so worried to see it go.
Who's to say what the morrow and its new life bring?
Are you now going to repeat your sewage treatment/roadways/electricity/telephones argument, except as applied to pieces of paper? In terms of accession, the view that the man accedes to his currency is flawed; a man is worth much more than any debt note, and, thusly, the note accedes to him.
One may view those coloured pieces of paper as having a wide legal signifigance; one may also view them as rather bare things, that is, things which one may give to the legally insane inhabitants of the world such that they will do stuff for you. For example, you walk into a Railroad Hotel Bar, slap a purple one onto the counter, and say "I am Diogenes! Give me a Whiskey!" and more or less they will. Whiskey for coloured paper? Wow, what a world; no wonder the alcoholic-and-hangers-on set is so worried to see it go.
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
If you do not want to have anything to do with money, I can give you my account number. Please deposit any of your money into that account.scirefacias wrote:Not this lifetime.
Who's to say what the morrow and its new life bring?
Are you now going to repeat your sewage treatment/roadways/electricity/telephones argument, except as applied to pieces of paper? In terms of accession, the view that the man accedes to his currency is flawed; a man is worth much more than any debt note, and, thusly, the note accedes to him.
One may view those coloured pieces of paper as having a wide legal signifigance; one may also view them as rather bare things, that is, things which one may give to the legally insane inhabitants of the world such that they will do stuff for you. For example, you walk into a Railroad Hotel Bar, slap a purple one onto the counter, and say "I am Diogenes! Give me a Whiskey!" and more or less they will. Whiskey for coloured paper? Wow, what a world; no wonder the alcoholic-and-hangers-on set is so worried to see it go.
Going for the deck at corner
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Just curious scirefacias, how does your religious views fit in with the "freeman" thinking? Historically, any mainstream and crackpot religious groups don't look to kindly upon free thinking, and more or less want the associated society to bend to it's will/written word/budgetary needs/sexual deviations/you name it, religion has killed someone for not conforming, not my idea of a corruption free society.
And if you dare to claim that there's no corruption and hypocrisy in the authority figures of your particular faith..... meh, go on being someone who can be brainwashed by a smooth talker, that's your choice......
Your religious quotes are troubling to me, and concern me that you really wouldn't want any real free people of any sort around that didn't follow your, or your religious group's idealogies. Is that still a free society?
Especially when you look at the abuses put upon "the sheep" by the authority figures in those religions..... some of those guys have done kinky, way out there stuff to people(usually minors) that I wouldn't do to my wife.... and they're supposed to be leading people to salvation...
Curious about your screen name too, "scirefacias", or "scire facias", one definition is "to cause to be known". A judicial writ written into effect, like, 700 years ago...... can be used as a way to challenge patent rights that someone has claimed to intellectual property.... did you choose that name because you'll pick other people's intellectual property, dispute their claim in a Canadian tax supported court of law(again freemen using a tool paid for by the rest of us), then use it for your own self gain? I hope you're signing a napkin for that!
I really think Hedley is on to something with that troll link.... monk master("monk", another word play on religion, but this person disgraces my idea of a monk), and scire facias really aren't coming up with informative posts, and actually, throws quite a few intentional insults at the regular members of this forum.
I believe that maybe some of these ideas they're trying to force upon others came about because they were kicked out of public schooling(paid for by the elected governments, in turn by the rest of us), and now they're attempting to get back at the governed society with this freeman stuff..... thats about the only thing I can come up with that would explain the spelling anyway....
Toodles!
And if you dare to claim that there's no corruption and hypocrisy in the authority figures of your particular faith..... meh, go on being someone who can be brainwashed by a smooth talker, that's your choice......
Your religious quotes are troubling to me, and concern me that you really wouldn't want any real free people of any sort around that didn't follow your, or your religious group's idealogies. Is that still a free society?
Especially when you look at the abuses put upon "the sheep" by the authority figures in those religions..... some of those guys have done kinky, way out there stuff to people(usually minors) that I wouldn't do to my wife.... and they're supposed to be leading people to salvation...
Curious about your screen name too, "scirefacias", or "scire facias", one definition is "to cause to be known". A judicial writ written into effect, like, 700 years ago...... can be used as a way to challenge patent rights that someone has claimed to intellectual property.... did you choose that name because you'll pick other people's intellectual property, dispute their claim in a Canadian tax supported court of law(again freemen using a tool paid for by the rest of us), then use it for your own self gain? I hope you're signing a napkin for that!
I really think Hedley is on to something with that troll link.... monk master("monk", another word play on religion, but this person disgraces my idea of a monk), and scire facias really aren't coming up with informative posts, and actually, throws quite a few intentional insults at the regular members of this forum.
I believe that maybe some of these ideas they're trying to force upon others came about because they were kicked out of public schooling(paid for by the elected governments, in turn by the rest of us), and now they're attempting to get back at the governed society with this freeman stuff..... thats about the only thing I can come up with that would explain the spelling anyway....
Toodles!
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
scirefacias wrote:Not this lifetime.
Seriously, how do these people come to be on an aviation forum of all places? Aren't there other places on the internet dedicated to fringe cults and psychotics?
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scirefacias
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
"Just curious scirefacias, how does your religious views fit in with the "freeman" thinking?"
Like a glove.
"Historically, any mainstream and crackpot religious groups don't look to kindly upon free thinking, and more or less want the associated society to bend to it's will/written word/budgetary needs/sexual deviations/you name it, religion has killed someone for not conforming, not my idea of a corruption free society."
Agreed. But, historically, really up until very recently, you had a system of colleges with professionals doing the reading for people, and that was not simply because they were Evil Men (though they might have been---who knows) but because it was not possible to print enough textbooks, and, even had it been possible, giving textbooks to illiterates is not very helpful. Just look at a Law school. They have tons of books, and what good does it do them?
"And if you dare to claim that there's no corruption and hypocrisy in the authority figures of your particular faith..... meh, go on being someone who can be brainwashed by a smooth talker, that's your choice......"
My faith has one authority figure: Jesus Christ, Our Lord who came in consistory and died for our imperfections whereby the necessity of execution being issued against anyone is obviated.
"Your religious quotes are troubling to me, and concern me that you really wouldn't want any real free people of any sort around that didn't follow your, or your religious group's idealogies. Is that still a free society?"
Well, in terms of religious ideology that's morally binding, I'd say the ten commandments are the moral law, and that is in conformance with the Confession of Faith Ratification Act. In terms of the commandments that deal in man's duties to man, which part do you find flawed? Further, a comparative analysis of religion, not that I have undertaken such a thing (I only have so much time), would probably find a "moral center" that is shared by most of the world's major religions. If anything, my faith doesn't have enough rules to satisfy most people; for example, my belief is that if you have a room and you allow people into that room, if you place your wallet upon the table, that wallet is fair game to be picked up, as the so-called "theft" would be merely by the positive law of society; naturally, theft is out of a man's robe or his hand.
"Especially when you look at the abuses put upon "the sheep" by the authority figures in those religions..... some of those guys have done kinky, way out there stuff to people(usually minors) that I wouldn't do to my wife.... and they're supposed to be leading people to salvation..."
Well, I would not trust any man who said he could lead me or anyone else to salvation; within my faith, Jesus saves! Gretzky may even get the rebound, but Jesus saves! No mere man; only he who is very God and very man is able to save.
"Curious about your screen name too, "scirefacias", or "scire facias", one definition is "to cause to be known". A judicial writ written into effect, like, 700 years ago...... can be used as a way to challenge patent rights that someone has claimed to intellectual property.... did you choose that name because you'll pick other people's intellectual property, dispute their claim in a Canadian tax supported court of law(again freemen using a tool paid for by the rest of us), then use it for your own self gain? I hope you're signing a napkin for that!"
That would be nice if there weren't, ah, curiosities involving the arms under which contemporary courts sit. They're nice theatres---best free theatre in any town with one, most likely; and where else can you watch such amateur theatre played so earnestly? And the things on stage aren't even paid; of course, who pays a thing? I myself would never act in a production where the actor's paid and the judex is paid but I am left to sing for my own supper, but that's just me; apparently people receptive of parking tickets feel differently.
"I really think Hedley is on to something with that troll link.... monk master("monk", another word play on religion, but this person disgraces my idea of a monk), and scire facias really aren't coming up with informative posts, and actually, throws quite a few intentional insults at the regular members of this forum."
Oh, well, insults---is it fair to say that tehmastermonk has been insulted as well? So it's turnabout at best; to suggest that these "regular members" have taken the high road and are now subject to insults for it is a bit rich, no?
"I believe that maybe some of these ideas they're trying to force upon others came about because they were kicked out of public schooling(paid for by the elected governments, in turn by the rest of us), and now they're attempting to get back at the governed society with this freeman stuff..... thats about the only thing I can come up with that would explain the spelling anyway...."
Paid for by elected governments? So here we are again back to the ridiculousness about governments paying for things; what filled up the consolidated revenue fund? Why, publicly educated people who learned that the only way to be is to fill up that consolidated revenue fund. It's a vicious cycle...luckily, there's signal nine, and if that doesn't work SIGSEGV. There are all sorts of signals.
If you want a personal motivation, I am sick and tired of watching the military shake kids down for pot. And don't say it doesn't happen. I've seen it happen on the courthouse steps in Vancouver. It is disgusting. Having drugs laws as a way to throw extra time at people who do violent crime while in possession of drugs is one thing. Going after kids sitting peacefully on the steps (not smoking, pot concealed in a purse) and demanding they empty their pockets is tyrannical.
And how does one force an idea on another? If I am attempting to force my ideas on anyone, what is public education? Like, presumably none of you are 6 years old and incredibly vulnerable to guilt-based manipulation. "Don't call him an idiot, Johnny! You made him feel bad! How would you like it if you were an idiot and someone told you?" Of course, they're not that honest; they leave it at "How would you like it?"
Over-easy, please.
Like a glove.
"Historically, any mainstream and crackpot religious groups don't look to kindly upon free thinking, and more or less want the associated society to bend to it's will/written word/budgetary needs/sexual deviations/you name it, religion has killed someone for not conforming, not my idea of a corruption free society."
Agreed. But, historically, really up until very recently, you had a system of colleges with professionals doing the reading for people, and that was not simply because they were Evil Men (though they might have been---who knows) but because it was not possible to print enough textbooks, and, even had it been possible, giving textbooks to illiterates is not very helpful. Just look at a Law school. They have tons of books, and what good does it do them?
"And if you dare to claim that there's no corruption and hypocrisy in the authority figures of your particular faith..... meh, go on being someone who can be brainwashed by a smooth talker, that's your choice......"
My faith has one authority figure: Jesus Christ, Our Lord who came in consistory and died for our imperfections whereby the necessity of execution being issued against anyone is obviated.
"Your religious quotes are troubling to me, and concern me that you really wouldn't want any real free people of any sort around that didn't follow your, or your religious group's idealogies. Is that still a free society?"
Well, in terms of religious ideology that's morally binding, I'd say the ten commandments are the moral law, and that is in conformance with the Confession of Faith Ratification Act. In terms of the commandments that deal in man's duties to man, which part do you find flawed? Further, a comparative analysis of religion, not that I have undertaken such a thing (I only have so much time), would probably find a "moral center" that is shared by most of the world's major religions. If anything, my faith doesn't have enough rules to satisfy most people; for example, my belief is that if you have a room and you allow people into that room, if you place your wallet upon the table, that wallet is fair game to be picked up, as the so-called "theft" would be merely by the positive law of society; naturally, theft is out of a man's robe or his hand.
"Especially when you look at the abuses put upon "the sheep" by the authority figures in those religions..... some of those guys have done kinky, way out there stuff to people(usually minors) that I wouldn't do to my wife.... and they're supposed to be leading people to salvation..."
Well, I would not trust any man who said he could lead me or anyone else to salvation; within my faith, Jesus saves! Gretzky may even get the rebound, but Jesus saves! No mere man; only he who is very God and very man is able to save.
"Curious about your screen name too, "scirefacias", or "scire facias", one definition is "to cause to be known". A judicial writ written into effect, like, 700 years ago...... can be used as a way to challenge patent rights that someone has claimed to intellectual property.... did you choose that name because you'll pick other people's intellectual property, dispute their claim in a Canadian tax supported court of law(again freemen using a tool paid for by the rest of us), then use it for your own self gain? I hope you're signing a napkin for that!"
That would be nice if there weren't, ah, curiosities involving the arms under which contemporary courts sit. They're nice theatres---best free theatre in any town with one, most likely; and where else can you watch such amateur theatre played so earnestly? And the things on stage aren't even paid; of course, who pays a thing? I myself would never act in a production where the actor's paid and the judex is paid but I am left to sing for my own supper, but that's just me; apparently people receptive of parking tickets feel differently.
"I really think Hedley is on to something with that troll link.... monk master("monk", another word play on religion, but this person disgraces my idea of a monk), and scire facias really aren't coming up with informative posts, and actually, throws quite a few intentional insults at the regular members of this forum."
Oh, well, insults---is it fair to say that tehmastermonk has been insulted as well? So it's turnabout at best; to suggest that these "regular members" have taken the high road and are now subject to insults for it is a bit rich, no?
"I believe that maybe some of these ideas they're trying to force upon others came about because they were kicked out of public schooling(paid for by the elected governments, in turn by the rest of us), and now they're attempting to get back at the governed society with this freeman stuff..... thats about the only thing I can come up with that would explain the spelling anyway...."
Paid for by elected governments? So here we are again back to the ridiculousness about governments paying for things; what filled up the consolidated revenue fund? Why, publicly educated people who learned that the only way to be is to fill up that consolidated revenue fund. It's a vicious cycle...luckily, there's signal nine, and if that doesn't work SIGSEGV. There are all sorts of signals.
If you want a personal motivation, I am sick and tired of watching the military shake kids down for pot. And don't say it doesn't happen. I've seen it happen on the courthouse steps in Vancouver. It is disgusting. Having drugs laws as a way to throw extra time at people who do violent crime while in possession of drugs is one thing. Going after kids sitting peacefully on the steps (not smoking, pot concealed in a purse) and demanding they empty their pockets is tyrannical.
And how does one force an idea on another? If I am attempting to force my ideas on anyone, what is public education? Like, presumably none of you are 6 years old and incredibly vulnerable to guilt-based manipulation. "Don't call him an idiot, Johnny! You made him feel bad! How would you like it if you were an idiot and someone told you?" Of course, they're not that honest; they leave it at "How would you like it?"
Over-easy, please.
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Is dishonesty something that's encouraged in your religion scirefacias?
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I have been thinking of where the perfect place for the freeman group to get away from society would be.
A hidden valley is not the answer, however I had a good look at two small islands in the south Atlantic that would be perfect as they even have a warm climate.
They are called St. Peter and St. Paul and are the ultimate home for the freeman group.
Get Rob to Google them and he will have found the perfect home.
A hidden valley is not the answer, however I had a good look at two small islands in the south Atlantic that would be perfect as they even have a warm climate.
They are called St. Peter and St. Paul and are the ultimate home for the freeman group.
Get Rob to Google them and he will have found the perfect home.
The hardest thing about flying is knowing when to say no
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
After over a half a century of flying no one ever died because of my decision not to fly.
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
and what makes you think we need a home? why would we want to isolate from society? to what purpose would that serve? why hide our light?
as for that whole name play, pff! i am no monk. i never claimed to be. goes to show how many assumptions you gather just by what you see at first glimpse.
as for that whole name play, pff! i am no monk. i never claimed to be. goes to show how many assumptions you gather just by what you see at first glimpse.
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
That's a tad elitist isn't it? You have a pretty large opinion of yourselves.tehmastermonk wrote:why hide our light?
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
"I have been thinking of where the perfect place for the freeman group to get away from society would be."
Well, that's just it; society, being incorporeal, is nothing one need run from, for it is nothing that one may run from. Show me your society. Put it on a scale; that's right, it doesn't exist. It is merely conceptual, largely predicated at this point on the uniformity of public indoctrination.
Tied up in the notion of some distance being required to 'get away from society' is the notion that there is some legitimate and exclusive right to govern everyone within an area vested in whoever managed to set up a deceptive governmental corporation early-on enough to have its logo recognizable by the voting public.
It is a sort of right, but it's rooted far more in consent than necessary subjection to incorporated bodies. The way one leaves is the way one came in; by letters.
Well, that's just it; society, being incorporeal, is nothing one need run from, for it is nothing that one may run from. Show me your society. Put it on a scale; that's right, it doesn't exist. It is merely conceptual, largely predicated at this point on the uniformity of public indoctrination.
Tied up in the notion of some distance being required to 'get away from society' is the notion that there is some legitimate and exclusive right to govern everyone within an area vested in whoever managed to set up a deceptive governmental corporation early-on enough to have its logo recognizable by the voting public.
It is a sort of right, but it's rooted far more in consent than necessary subjection to incorporated bodies. The way one leaves is the way one came in; by letters.
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
For the same reason your religion doesn't exist. Nor does your God. Neither do you for that matter because you are just words typed into a computer that you claim you didn't pay for, over an internet that you don't pay to access. You are non-corporeal, and therefore nonexistent.scirefacias wrote:Show me your society. Put it on a scale; that's right, it doesn't exist. It is merely conceptual, largely predicated at this point on the uniformity of public indoctrination.
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scirefacias
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Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
"For the same reason your religion doesn't exist. Nor does your God."
Well, Moses spoke with God face-to-face. if you can't believe the testimony, that's not my problem, and, really, it is to be expected; it is fanciful, no? A good way to prevent those with inadequate imaginations from believing =]
"Neither do you for that matter because you are just words typed into a computer that you claim you didn't pay for, over an internet that you don't pay to access. You are non-corporeal, and therefore nonexistent."
Correct. I'm nobody. Nobody's perfect, right?
Well, Moses spoke with God face-to-face. if you can't believe the testimony, that's not my problem, and, really, it is to be expected; it is fanciful, no? A good way to prevent those with inadequate imaginations from believing =]
"Neither do you for that matter because you are just words typed into a computer that you claim you didn't pay for, over an internet that you don't pay to access. You are non-corporeal, and therefore nonexistent."
Correct. I'm nobody. Nobody's perfect, right?
Re: Love Letter to WestJet Employees
Says who? Sounds to me like you're taking somebody's word at that. Unless you were there of course.scirefacias wrote:Well, Moses spoke with God face-to-face.
What's belief got to do with it? We're talking cold hard fact here which is your criteria for something that's real, something you can put on a scale and measure.scirefacias wrote:if you can't believe the testimony,
Again, what's imagination got to do with it? Our society is nonexistent in your eyes because it cannot be measured on a scale. How much does your religion weigh? How much of it will fit in your pocket? Is your God fatter than you?scirefacias wrote:A good way to prevent those with inadequate imaginations from believing
scirefacias wrote:I'm nobody. Nobody's perfect, right?
I didn't say you were nobody or that you weren't perfect. I said you didn't exist according to your own definition of something that's real. You must try and get over this hypocricy of yours and use the same standard for everything.
