Truckers convoy

[TG]

Deniers were so torqued up and distracted by this Freedom thing that they almost stopped posting bullsh!t Covid conspiracy theories here (Here as Avcanada)


Now that this “Konvoy” seems to loose some momentum, they are back at it!

[photofly]

. I'm not saying less than 100% isn't good. I'm saying that because it doesn't offer 100% protection from transmission or infection, you cannot say that you "know" you're protecting anyone. That would be like…

You’re tying yourself up in ridiculous hair splitting knots.

When I put a seatbelt on my child in a car am I “protecting” him from injury in a car accident? Obviously. Do I know I’m protecting him? Of course. Does he know I’m protecting him. You bet. I beg you, try to invent some interpretation otherwise, just for my amusement.

Am I 100% guaranteeing that he won’t be hurt in a wreck? No. But I still know I’m protecting him and he knows it too.

Of course you know you’re protecting people by being vaccinated.

[enbt]

Trudeau has dug himself quite a hole, and he just keeps digging. It will be interesting to see how he gets himself out of this. In doing so he has united the country is a way not imaginable even a month ago. Unfortunately (for him), we are united against him.

JT is usually a savvy politician but he badly underestimated the power of this movement. At every chance to diffuse the situation he has either run away, literally, or further inflamed the situation with his rhetoric. He and the Ottawa Police are trying to provoke the situation by portraying the convoy as fringe, racist, intolerant, violent etc, which they so desperately wish were true. The mainstream media has taken the bait but the truckers have not. Tam offered him an off ramp last week by saying we need a more sustainable approach to COVID, but he didn't take it.

The wind has shifted dramatically since the convoy starting rolling but JT still hasn't gotten the memo. He's getting called out regularly in Parliament. His own party is starting to crack (see CPC party last week). Since the convoy arrived in Ottawa 5 or 6 provinces, most notably Quebec and Alberta, have significantly rolled back restrictions. Whether they admit it or not this is the result of convoy pressure. New convoys are forming all over the country and around the world. This is receiving international attention like nothing in recent memory, and the world is watching to see where this goes next.

Meanwhile, there is an Olympics happening that precisely nobody is paying attention to.

[Aviatard]

Unfortunately (for him), we are united against him.

We are? Who is this we?

[RoAF-Mig21]

Trudeau has dug himself quite a hole, and he just keeps digging. It will be interesting to see how he gets himself out of this. In doing so he has united the country is a way not imaginable even a month ago. Unfortunately (for him), we are united against him.

JT is usually a savvy politician but he badly underestimated the power of this movement. At every chance to diffuse the situation he has either run away, literally, or further inflamed the situation with his rhetoric. He and the Ottawa Police are trying to provoke the situation by portraying the convoy as fringe, racist, intolerant, violent etc, which they so desperately wish were true. The mainstream media has taken the bait but the truckers have not. Tam offered him an off ramp last week by saying we need a more sustainable approach to COVID, but he didn't take it.

The wind has shifted dramatically since the convoy starting rolling but JT still hasn't gotten the memo. He's getting called out regularly in Parliament. His own party is starting to crack (see CPC party last week). Since the convoy arrived in Ottawa 5 or 6 provinces, most notably Quebec and Alberta, have significantly rolled back restrictions. Whether they admit it or not this is the result of convoy pressure. New convoys are forming all over the country and around the world. This is receiving international attention like nothing in recent memory, and the world is watching to see where this goes next.

Meanwhile, there is an Olympics happening that precisely nobody is paying attention to.

Agreed. His arrogant elitist attitude and lack of empathy for hard working Canadians is shocking. For a "self proclaimed" tolerant leader that should lead by example he is not. He's accusing the convoy of the exact things he's guilty of: racism (black face), violence (remember all the church burnings that he said absolutely nothing about?), intolerance (accusing protesters of right wing agenda's and being Nazis), etc. Yes, there were morons that broke the law. It happens with every protest, regardless of its message. (And they need to arrest and prosecute the perpetrators), but you can't vilify an entire movement; that is unbelievably peaceful everything considered. As a side note, remember the idiots that started a riot over a hockey game in Vancouver? Yeah... Talk about ZERO reasons to "revolt".

The power now lies with his own party, to try to convince him that dialogue is the way to go. This will only escalate further and it will not be good for everyone involve. There is still a lot of room for further escalation. The monster has been awoken and you cut off one head, another one will grow in its place.

This protest is so much more than "anti-vax mandate now". It's a revolt against draconian measures imposed on a very obedient and understanding population. Even guys like me that are pro vaccine, social distanced, wore mask, was a front line worker is fed up with this crap.

Okay I have a dumb question:

Can the Liberal party dismiss him and appoint a new leader, hence a new PM? What would be the procedure in case a party leader is not fit to lead?

[Big Bird Anonymous]

REAL NEWS ALERT: The dark side is surrendering so they can home and have a private sh^t

"Ottawa protest organizer Canada Unity is disavowing a memorandum of understanding that underpinned its fight against COVID-19 measures.

The memo once pushed by Canada Unity unlawfully demanded Gov. Gen. Mary Simon and the Senate force federal and provincial governments to lift all COVID-19 restrictions, including vaccine mandates.

It did not mention truckers, and was initially sent to the Senate and Simon on Dec. 11.

Canada Unity now says it is immediately withdrawing the memo, adding it firmly supports the Constitution and democratic processes."
-The Canadian Press

[Big Bird Anonymous]

REAL NEWS ALERT:

Mask mandates continue to fall as Fauci says U.S. may be approaching ‘normality’

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... te-hochul/

The intelligent 75% of the population (Adults) are making the assessments and decisions and not the idiot, racist, red neck scumbags "big boy" trucker convoy using their children as shields...

[enbt]

Unfortunately (for him), we are united against him.

We are? Who is this we?

The tens if not hundreds of thousands of people from across the country who lined the roads and overpasses in sub freezing temperatures in January to cheer the convoy on.

The folks who raised over $10 million in the space of 2 weeks before it was seized by Go Fund Me. A truly significant amount. And now $8.2 million US on Give Send Go.

The 44% who say they support truckers, which is more than enough to win an election.

[‘Bob’]

Tens of thousands in a country of 40 million

Millions of dollars in mostly large, anonymous, and foreign donations. Are their best interests our best interests? I seriously doubt it.

44% who say…? Citation needed. Most likely a far smaller sample size than a federal election.

[‘Bob’]

Since the convoy arrived in Ottawa 5 or 6 provinces, most notably Quebec and Alberta, have significantly rolled back restrictions. Whether they admit it or not this is the result of convoy pressure.

Lol… no.

The rollback of restrictions has been planned for months. This convoy most likely delayed them so as to not give any validity to their methods.

Most notably absent from those provinces rolling back restrictions is Ontario. Not only a conservative one but the one most directly affected by the protests.

Kenney is reactionary and dumb. He coat tails on anything that will give him a short term gain in support.. which he needs badly. Comparing the stigma of the unvaccinated to AIDS victims? What an embarrassment of a leader. Quebec? When has Quebec ever been a good example of anything?

Ford is more intelligent. He knows that if he gambles the wrong way it will cost him dearly as he has in the past with pandemic mismanagement. He is hemming and hawing at accelerating rollbacks.. floating a trial balloon and testing the water. Not exactly vehement support or reaction to intimidation, now is it?

I’d love to see restrictions end. In a progressive and logical manner following science. And some mandates I’d like to see stay forever—like vaccination for international travel.

But don’t think for a second that the majority of Canadians are behind this idiotic movement.

[pelmet]

This protest is so much more than "anti-vax mandate now". It's a revolt against draconian measures imposed on a very obedient and understanding population. Even guys like me that are pro vaccine, social distanced, wore mask, was a front line worker is fed up with this crap.

Okay I have a dumb question:

Can the Liberal party dismiss him and appoint a new leader, hence a new PM? What would be the procedure in case a party leader is not fit to lead?

Sorry folks,

As the biggest Trudeau hater on this forum, I have been opposed to this blockade from the beginning. And now, not only are they shutting down our economy in sectors, they are literally endangering the average persons health by flooding 911 with calls.

It is time to pass emergency legislation to deal with these people forcefully with Notwithstanding Clause measures to block any court action. Starting with the border blockades, they are arrested and held in jail without bail for a significant period of time awaiting charges(which prevents them from going back to causing trouble). Their rigs and vehicles are picked up/pushed aside by bulldozers(with whatever damage happens) to clear the roads.

This is nowhere close to a peaceful protest.

Arrest and hold them without bail.

[pelmet]

If we give into this, it continues the precedent that has been set of economic warfare getting results for a vocal group and we can expect more and more of this action.

[RoAF-Mig21]

Sorry folks,

As the biggest Trudeau hater on this forum, I have been opposed to this blockade from the beginning. And now, not only are they shutting down our economy in sectors, they are literally endangering the average persons health by flooding 911 with calls.

It is time to pass emergency legislation to deal with these people forcefully with Notwithstanding Clause measures to block any court action. Starting with the border blockades, they are arrested and held in jail without bail for a significant period of time awaiting charges(which prevents them from going back to causing trouble). Their rigs and vehicles are picked up/pushed aside by bulldozers(with whatever damage happens) to clear the roads.

This is nowhere close to a peaceful protest.

Arrest and hold them without bail.

Sorry mate,

That's not what a democratic country does. That's something you'd expect from a dictatorship, not a "Top 10 Country", like Canada.

This entire fiasco can be ended if politicians used common sense and let their pride and (absolute grip on) power aside. The longer this goes on, the more it will escalate and it will cause damage to our economy, political structure and social fabric. It's in the hands of the politicians. Canadians are not happy with the way they're being taken advantage of.

[pelmet]

Sorry folks,

As the biggest Trudeau hater on this forum, I have been opposed to this blockade from the beginning. And now, not only are they shutting down our economy in sectors, they are literally endangering the average persons health by flooding 911 with calls.

It is time to pass emergency legislation to deal with these people forcefully with Notwithstanding Clause measures to block any court action. Starting with the border blockades, they are arrested and held in jail without bail for a significant period of time awaiting charges(which prevents them from going back to causing trouble). Their rigs and vehicles are picked up/pushed aside by bulldozers(with whatever damage happens) to clear the roads.

This is nowhere close to a peaceful protest.

Arrest and hold them without bail.

Sorry mate,

That's not what a democratic country does. That's something you'd expect from a dictatorship, not a "Top 10 Country", like Canada.

This entire fiasco can be ended if politicians used common sense and let their pride and (absolute grip on) power aside. The longer this goes on, the more it will escalate and it will cause damage to our economy, political structure and social fabric. It's in the hands of the politicians. Canadians are not happy with the way they're being taken advantage of.

Sorry to you mate,

You obviously did not get proper training on what a democracy actually is when you came here. It has nothing to do with lawlessness. It has to do with people voting for a different party if they don't like the policies of the current one and changing the constitution(not easy as it has to get the support for such a thing by a lot of people).

I suggest you start off with googling some info about democracy and see how it really works. Obviously, our citizenship process is not explaining this well to people arriving from autocracies.

[Big Bird Anonymous]

Jazz is about to recall their employees with the fed wage subsidy program and tell them to stay home.

To any of you losers who support the illegal activity---Jazz and Encore have taken my Covid19 taxpayer money to keep you all employed now you are supporting this garbage...good luck not being outed by me! I know the real names behind many profiles as a long time lurker...I pay attention for times like this...I know many CP's by first name as I am considered an SME on aviation and well respected...what else would an old retired Vet do with his free time but my duty as a true loyal Canadian...let's dance

[Big Bird Anonymous]

J-P T and Cal P tell Andre P to reel your children in or there will be big noise

[RoAF-Mig21]

Sorry to you mate,

You obviously did not get proper training on what a democracy actually is when you came here. It has nothing to do with lawlessness. It has to do with people voting for a different party if they don't like the policies of the current one and changing the constitution(not easy as it has to get the support for such a thing by a lot of people).

I suggest you start off with googling some info about democracy and see how it really works. Obviously, our citizenship process is not explaining this well to people arriving from autocracies.

Well I was a child when I came here. Everything I learned about democracy was HERE, thanks to the "high standard of education" Canada has to offer.

I do agree with you that breaking the law is not "democratic". What is happening now is a revolt by the masses because the people voted to represent us are abusing their powers and infringing on our liberties. If you think the last two years was a measured and adequate response to everything involved, than you and I do not agree on many things. If you think that RESTRICTING CANADIANS TO FREELY TRAVEL IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY is a "democracy", perhaps your views of it are also distorted.

Look, I don't condone violence, nor do I want the protesters to block our critical infrastructure.

[Big Bird Anonymous]

Jazz is about to recall their employees with the fed wage subsidy program and tell them to stay home.

To any of you losers who support the illegal activity---Jazz and Encore have taken my Covid19 taxpayer money to keep you all employed now you are supporting this garbage...good luck not being outed by me! I know the real names behind many profiles as a long time lurker...I pay attention for times like this...I know many CP's by first name as I am considered an SME on aviation and well respected...what else would an old retired Vet do with his free time but my duty as a true loyal Canadian...let's dance

When is Air Canada and Westjet going to denounce this crap?? They should be investigating their deluded employee supporters of this illegal activity on this site as an embarrassment to the business model. I can name at least a dozen by First and Last name if they would like this information...I will send the names discretely...for example, I knowEDITED is waiting on hiring action at Jazz...J-P T is easy to contact

J-P T and Cal P tell Andre P to reel your children in or there will be big noise

[pelmet]

Sorry to you mate,

You obviously did not get proper training on what a democracy actually is when you came here. It has nothing to do with lawlessness. It has to do with people voting for a different party if they don't like the policies of the current one and changing the constitution(not easy as it has to get the support for such a thing by a lot of people).

I suggest you start off with googling some info about democracy and see how it really works. Obviously, our citizenship process is not explaining this well to people arriving from autocracies.

I do agree with you that breaking the law is not "democratic". What is happening now is a revolt by the masses because the people voted to represent us are abusing their powers and infringing on our liberties. If you think the last two years was a measured and adequate response to everything involved, than you and I do not agree on many things. If you think that RESTRICTING CANADIANS TO FREELY TRAVEL IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY is a "democracy", perhaps your views of it are also distorted.

Look, I don't condone violence, nor do I want the protesters to block our critical infrastructure.

If this was a revolt by the masses, you would have a millions in the street as what happened in eastern Europe. This is a blockade by a small percentage of the population and is not democracy.

There have been restrictions placed on people during covid in pretty much every democracy on earth in the last two years. People will get a chance to vote on that at some point again.

Very nice to say what you don't condone but that is what is happening. But in you also just said "The longer this goes on, the more it will escalate and it will cause damage to our economy, political structure and social fabric". So you are playing both sides of the game. I know your intentions and I call on the government to stop it, forcefully if required.

[North Shore]

Big Bird. Wind it down a little, would you? Several posts - all saying the same thing - do little to bolster your message.

Also, Doxxing people is not allowed on here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know that - but now you do. Dox someone, and it'll be an immediate (and permanent) ban.

Further, threatening peple's career prospects is not cool.

[Big Bird Anonymous]

Big Bird. Reel it in a little, would you? Several posts - all saying the same thing - do little to bolster your message.

Also, Doxxing people is not allowed on here. I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that you didn't know that - but now you do. Dox someone, and it'll be an immediate (and permanent) ban.

Whatever, I don't need this board to continue my crusade...just giving fair warning to protect my industry. If you oppose that. well I know you as well!!! My message is spoken on behalf of my millions of supporters ie. Honorable Canadians...I WILL make calls and advise my friend Neil MacDonald at CBC to make my position clear...besides this site has been hacked so many times and data lost it has no credibility...the doxxing will be directly to the company...NO PUBLIC OUTING I promise, unless I out myself as well...ps. most of the goofs have foed me so piggy back posting is in their best interest as a WARNING. I will start calling tomorrow.

[Inverted2]

North Shore. You’re a moderator. Why don’t you deal with this person? I’ve got about 15 messages from this goof saying “my career is over”, threatening to report me to my employer etc, and a bunch of other useless gibberish. For the record. I’m not a trucker and I’m not at the protests but I do support them having the Covid restrictions lifted so we can all get back to our lives.

[CpnCrunch]

RESTRICTING CANADIANS TO FREELY TRAVEL IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY

Which restriction are you referring to here?

[Big Bird Anonymous]

North Shore. You’re a moderator. Why don’t you deal with this person? I’ve got about 15 messages from this goof saying “my career is over”, threatening to report me to my employer etc, and a bunch of other useless gibberish. For the record. I’m not a trucker and I’m not at the protests but I do support them having the Covid restrictions lifted so we can all get back to our lives.

Exactly, you all a aviators who will be transporting people you may not like, your attitude is unsafe...SMS it under RECKLESS AND NEGLIGENT

[RoAF-Mig21]

RESTRICTING CANADIANS TO FREELY TRAVEL IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY

Which restriction are you referring to here?

Remember when we couldn't travel to Eastern Canada without quarantine? That's the one I was referring to. It's no longer it place, but it was at one point.