things that piss me off on the radio - please read this.

blue_side_up · Post by **blue_side_up** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 4:29 am

Taking $ collections to purchase large quantities of Prozac for yvryvryvr. Maybe it'll help this guy relax.

nzkiwi · Post by **nzkiwi** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 3:57 pm

I have to admit that i've used the "Any conflicting Traffic..." routine but for the life of me I can't remember where I picked it up.

sky's the limit · Post by **sky's the limit** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 7:28 pm

It's quite simple.

Who, what, where, intentions. Whatever form that takes, as long as the pertinent info is there, it gets the point across. Yes long winded transmissions are annoying, but we've all been there. In fact yesterday, I did the old press the button brain goes blank routine... That one was 10 years in the making!

bob sacamano · Post by **bob sacamano** » Wed Nov 16, 2005 8:12 pm

Let me ask you a question, Why the hell do you care?

If you're in the practice area, pay attention to your student and the lesson, and maybe even scan for other traffic.

If you're in a busy airspace and are concerned about radio congestion, let the controller do their job.

Who you are
Where you are
What you're doing

Hasta siempre

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 3:07 pm

"approximately" - ie. "approximatey 5 miles to the north"....ok... seriously now. the last thing i want to know is 'approximately' where you are... just don't even make a radio call because i'd rather be killed by surprise....please just come out of nowhere and hit my plane because knowing 'approximately' where you are might leave me worrying a little too much.

That one cracks me up.

oldtimer · Post by **oldtimer** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 9:40 pm

A bunch of different ideas and all are valid points but in RECENT history, nobody has been able to screw up comunications as well as NavCanada. They now have a system where a controller, working 2 or 3 frequencies, can have everyone heard by all. In the old days, you could hear the controller talking to an aircraft on a different frequency but not the airplane.Now you hear both sides of the conversation.
This morning, repositioning at Calgary, we had one controller working ground, clearance delivery and tower and every one was on the same frequency, regardless of what you had tuned in.
On 121.9, I heard people on 121.3 and 118.4. It was a real mess. I hear this all the time now. It can really congest the airwaves.

sprucemonkey · Post by **sprucemonkey** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:33 pm

happens frequently in the u.s. guy works tower, ground, and clearance.

but you dont here everyone else when on the "other" freq. this must be so no one asks for clearance and someone else asks for a wind check.

prevents screw ups i assume.

WhiteBeacon · Post by **WhiteBeacon** » Thu Nov 17, 2005 11:44 pm

YVR You think your pissed! Not one vote for Ginger? Ginger Rocks! She was a movie star, but what kinda movies huh? Maybe she was Jenna Jameson before her time. She had the voice. The voice that cost me $800.00 a month on 1-976 numbers. Red hair = spicey, I like spicey. She has more curves than Top Gun at Wonderland. Movie stars are rich like pilots. She always wore a dress, Mom would love that and it give me easy a reason to use my camera phone. Boys, Boys, Boys give your head a shake and listen to me. Now here's the question, Shania Twain or Faith Hill ?????

charlie_g · Post by **charlie_g** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:14 am

yvr x 3, if you've only been flying for a few years, then you're in no position to appoint yourself the phraseology king. Better let that mike button cool off for a while and save us from your raging.

charlie_g · Post by **charlie_g** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 1:20 am

oldtimer wrote:A bunch of different ideas and all are valid points but in RECENT history, nobody has been able to screw up comunications as well as NavCanada. They now have a system where a controller, working 2 or 3 frequencies, can have everyone heard by all. In the old days, you could hear the controller talking to an aircraft on a different frequency but not the airplane.Now you hear both sides of the conversation.
This morning, repositioning at Calgary, we had one controller working ground, clearance delivery and tower and every one was on the same frequency, regardless of what you had tuned in.
On 121.9, I heard people on 121.3 and 118.4. It was a real mess. I hear this all the time now. It can really congest the airwaves.

Of course, this is done to make those freqs in use more efficient for all involved. Under certain airspace configurations, I may be working 7 frequencies simulataneously. If those freqs are not coupled (the rebroadcasting you mentioned), then it becomes impossible to decipher incoming calls that may arrive two or three at a time. Most people can probably handle listening to two freqs at once, but beyond that it just becomes a constant "say again" routine, as nobody on the aircraft side knows when someone else is transmitting.

Makes for a busier radio when the pilots are hearing both incoming and outgoing transmissions, but it certainly cuts down on being stepped on without knowing it.

Panama Jack · Post by **Panama Jack** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 3:44 am

My pet peeve is anal retentive Captains who harp on really simple shit like this. You prefer to talk on the radio??? Just say so! Your coms!

cymuni · Post by **cymuni** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 8:40 am

I've been flying for a few years now and am getting pretty comfy with the radio. So much so that last week I caught myself saying "Yup Ok, I check your remarks and will call passing 3.5" when responding to ATC. Pretty slack eh! No one is perfect and we all make mistakes, I just try to learn from them.

zzjayca · Post by **zzjayca** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 9:15 am

oldtimer wrote: It can really congest the airwaves.

Actually it doesn't increase congestion at all. The only difference is now the pilots can hear the congestion.

Prior to the "couple" function, the frequencies still had the same number of a/c transmitting on them and during periods when the controller was responsible for more than one frequency, many a/c would step on each other. The ability to "couple" frequencies has greatly reduced the number of times more than one a/c calls at the same time.

Hedley · Post by **Hedley** » Fri Nov 18, 2005 10:35 am

You didn't hear this from me:

It's late one night, or early one morning if you want to be picky. It's dead, and you're about to get handed off to a guy with a good sense of humour that you know is handling 2 frequencies (eg north/south, or east/west).

Put BOTH of his frequencies in your flip-flop comm, and as you call in, make a nice unhurried call, all the while hitting the white freq transfer button on the comm as fast as you can.

I've never done this. I know nothing about this. I have no clear recollection of this.

things that piss me off on the radio - please read this.

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