So everyone is leaving?

[Ash Ketchum]

Things are slow in Canada right now and people
Are definitely leaving. Just heard another friend I went to college with left for good, not looking back.

I am curious where people are leaving to? It seems like the middle east/Asia aren't hiring expats (at least non type rated FOs) at the moment and the US and Europe need the right to work there. Are there opportunities in South America/ Africa?

[PitchLink]

Things are slow in Canada right now and people
Are definitely leaving. Just heard another friend I went to college with left for good, not looking back.

I am curious where people are leaving to? It seems like the middle east/Asia aren't hiring expats (at least non type rated FOs) at the moment and the US and Europe need the right to work there. Are there opportunities in South America/ Africa?

Lots of helicopter guys headed states side

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Things are slow in Canada right now and people
Are definitely leaving. Just heard another friend I went to college with left for good, not looking back.

I am curious where people are leaving to? It seems like the middle east/Asia aren't hiring expats (at least non type rated FOs) at the moment and the US and Europe need the right to work there. Are there opportunities in South America/ Africa?

[Ash Ketchum]

Things are slow in Canada right now and people
Are definitely leaving. Just heard another friend I went to college with left for good, not looking back.

I am curious where people are leaving to? It seems like the middle east/Asia aren't hiring expats (at least non type rated FOs) at the moment and the US and Europe need the right to work there. Are there opportunities in South America/ Africa?

Is that on the EB-2 NIW visa? I tried to get in on that one but it seems like a long shot. Best bet is to have an American wife or family from the US.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

I am curious where people are leaving to? It seems like the middle east/Asia aren't hiring expats (at least non type rated FOs) at the moment and the US and Europe need the right to work there. Are there opportunities in South America/ Africa?

Is that on the EB-2 NIW visa? I tried to get in on that one but it seems like a long shot. Best bet is to have an American wife or family from the US.

No I haven’t moved still Canadian and don’t know if I can move to the states yet.

[JHR]

Canada is having the largest exodus of people since 1971. Even new immigrants are deciding it is not the place for them.
Lots of reasons but mainly the fact that the cost of living is so high.

[mmm..bacon]

Canada is having the largest exodus of people since 1971. Even new immigrants are deciding it is not the place for them.
Lots of reasons but mainly the fact that the cost of living is so high.

Source?

[JHR]

https://toronto.citynews.ca/2022/04/05/ ... urvey/amp/

https://tnc.news/2022/03/29/number-of-p ... year-high/

[Bug_Stomper_01]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/inflat ... -1.6434169

[WellThatAgedWell]

Good job JT. Virtue signalling with no substance to back it up. What a legacy. How bad do you have to be at PM to drive immigrants away from a place like Canada.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Good job JT. Virtue signalling with no substance to back it up. What a legacy. How bad do you have to be at PM to drive immigrants away from a place like Canada.

The cost of living is insane in Canada, the only thing propping up the GDP is real estate. Manufacturing, energy, commodities are all wrapped under 7 years of liberal red tape. This guy is worse than his father and twice as crazy as his mother

[C-GGGQ]

My wife just got her citizenship this year and the only thing that made her continue through with it was the fact it made getting a TN visa for nursing in the states easier. Otherwise she would have just taken one of the recruiter routes available to nurses

[Bug_Stomper_01]

My wife just got her citizenship this year and the only thing that made her continue through with it was the fact it made getting a TN visa for nursing in the states easier. Otherwise she would have just taken one of the recruiter routes available to nurses

The tax and housing cost alone makes most sense. If I didn’t have family here I’d be already gone

[WANP]

Good job JT. Virtue signalling with no substance to back it up. What a legacy. How bad do you have to be at PM to drive immigrants away from a place like Canada.

The cost of living is insane in Canada, the only thing propping up the GDP is real estate. Manufacturing, energy, commodities are all wrapped under 7 years of liberal red tape. This guy is worse than his father and twice as crazy as his mother

That's on a good day!

[firstofficer]

Because they don't know the realities of the job.

Or maybe they do, and still want to do it. Most pilots I know, who bitch about the aviation industry also have no experience doing other jobs. Or very limited experience. Lots of neophyte pilot resumes I see are guys and gals doing jobs I don’t envy, even though I’m sure many have better wages, schedules, or other pluses. The grass ain’t greener on the other side of the fence, or maybe it is. All that matters is what your personal path to happiness entails. A career in aviation isn’t for everyone, but it is for some. Even one might consider an aviation career elsewhere, it really depends on your point of view. I spend enough time flying around stateside to know it’s not all great down there, and I know enough expats to know that their lifestyle isn’t for me.

The point is just because one might be unhappy with your lot in life, don’t assume everyone else who’s lot you think is similar feels the same way.

The common denominator in ALL of this is low pay. Anyone who argues otherwise I’ll gladly discuss with logically and factually. Canadians are by far the lowest paid aviators in the civilized world.

Unfortunately not only in the civilized world I have a few colleagues who fly for African carriers. Not only is their pay significantly greater but it’s in USD.

[‘Bob’]

Unfortunately not only in the civilized world I have a few colleagues who fly for African carriers. Not only is their pay significantly greater but it’s in USD.

If it’s so good, why does nobody stay? Everyone I know only “flew” in Africa.

I bet your “friends” are flying there for $$$ and then getting out. Which means that conditions are not comparable and that that cash comes with probably considerable personal sacrifices.

[rookiepilot]

Unfortunately not only in the civilized world I have a few colleagues who fly for African carriers. Not only is their pay significantly greater but it’s in USD.

If it’s so good, why does nobody stay? Everyone I know only “flew” in Africa.

I bet your “friends” are flying there for $$$ and then getting out. Which means that conditions are not comparable and that that cash comes with probably considerable personal sacrifices.

Translation:

Everyone seems wants major bucks NOW without any sacrifice.

That’s not how it works. In any career i know of.

Anything with better bucks now doesn’t have the top end you guys can get.

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Unfortunately not only in the civilized world I have a few colleagues who fly for African carriers. Not only is their pay significantly greater but it’s in USD.

If it’s so good, why does nobody stay? Everyone I know only “flew” in Africa.

I bet your “friends” are flying there for $$$ and then getting out. Which means that conditions are not comparable and that that cash comes with probably considerable personal sacrifices.

It’s rough, but the pay, schedule, benefits, stipends and freedom on days off more than make up for it vs flying domestically in Canada…. Which is largely hand to mouth employment, and below livable for the first half of your career here.
This Canadian industry has essentially produced a parasitic employee/employer relationship with borderline unliveable wages, which is definitely being heavily protected between companies due to the oversupply of pilots and ames available (Canadian tribal knowledge).
I choose international over domestic every time personally. I defy anyone to argue otherwise.

[golecchr]

Looks like lately everyone I know that flies wants to leave this country. It’s depressing.

Left Canada in September as a 300 hour pilot with CPL and Group 1. I'm halfway through my ATPL exams in Warsaw with 7 more to go. Many F/O positions are up for grabs after the conversion process is complete. For people with dual citizenship or work visas, this is a great option at the moment.

[PitchLink]

Looks like lately everyone I know that flies wants to leave this country. It’s depressing.

Left Canada in September as a 300 hour pilot with CPL and Group 1. I'm halfway through my ATPL exams in Warsaw with 7 more to go. Many F/O positions are up for grabs after the conversion process is complete. For people with dual citizenship or work visas, this is a great option at the moment.

How is pay compared to Canada?

[PitchLink]

Unfortunately not only in the civilized world I have a few colleagues who fly for African carriers. Not only is their pay significantly greater but it’s in USD.

If it’s so good, why does nobody stay? Everyone I know only “flew” in Africa.

I bet your “friends” are flying there for $$$ and then getting out. Which means that conditions are not comparable and that that cash comes with probably considerable personal sacrifices.

Translation:

Everyone seems wants major bucks NOW without any sacrifice.

That’s not how it works. In any career i know of.

Anything with better bucks now doesn’t have the top end you guys can get.

Dude it’s all relative to the amount of sacrifice to amount of return ratio, and unfortunately, the imbalance has and always will be in favour of the owners. I’ve never seen things so crap in Canada for aviation careers

[Launchpad1]

Left Canada in September as a 300 hour pilot with CPL and Group 1. I'm halfway through my ATPL exams in Warsaw with 7 more to go. Many F/O positions are up for grabs after the conversion process is complete. For people with dual citizenship or work visas, this is a great option at the moment.

Do you also speak Polish?

As someone who came from the UK to Canada IMO living here in Canada is much much better than Europe. Quality of life is not just about the amount of money you get paid, if it was living in Dubai would probably be the greatest life style on Earth - but it's not because it's a super hot desert.

I went for a hike in a national park a few weeks ago and it was very nice, so much nature and not having to share it with a million people. Try doing that in the UK.

I know it's normal to sh*t on the country you're from sometimes, but seriously as an immigrant I can tell you you Canadians should be proud of this country.

[PostmasterGeneral]

Looks like lately everyone I know that flies wants to leave this country. It’s depressing.

Left Canada in September as a 300 hour pilot with CPL and Group 1. I'm halfway through my ATPL exams in Warsaw with 7 more to go. Many F/O positions are up for grabs after the conversion process is complete. For people with dual citizenship or work visas, this is a great option at the moment.

Jesus! How many exams are there?!

[Bug_Stomper_01]

Left Canada in September as a 300 hour pilot with CPL and Group 1. I'm halfway through my ATPL exams in Warsaw with 7 more to go. Many F/O positions are up for grabs after the conversion process is complete. For people with dual citizenship or work visas, this is a great option at the moment.

Do you also speak Polish?

As someone who came from the UK to Canada IMO living here in Canada is much much better than Europe. Quality of life is not just about the amount of money you get paid, if it was living in Dubai would probably be the greatest life style on Earth - but it's not because it's a super hot desert.

I went for a hike in a national park a few weeks ago and it was very nice, so much nature and not having to share it with a million people. Try doing that in the UK.

I know it's normal to sh*t on the country you're from sometimes, but seriously as an immigrant I can tell you you Canadians should be proud of this country.

Ya but it’s changing fast. Can’t even go to Tobermory in the summer anymore it’s overrun (as in way too jammed) by mostly “international travellers”, can’t blame them it’s a beautiful park, far cry from how it was in the 80s and 90s. There’s too many people in the world and that problem you speak of in Europe is coming here rapidly with .5 million / year immigration. But flip side the cost of living is so high here 1/3 of them say they’ll be leaving in 5 years. Guess we will see, my time machine is in the shop…

[digits_]

There’s too many people in the world and that problem you speak of in Europe is coming here rapidly with .5 million / year immigration.

Seriously?

If there is one problem that Canada doesn't have, it's a lack of space to accommodate more people.