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Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 7:50 pm
by turboguy
Snoopy may not agree with you...but I don't think she is in business any longer...
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Sun Aug 24, 2008 8:56 pm
by xsbank
If that's true, I'm very sad to hear it. All the best, Snoopy, I hope you will post here again.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:59 am
by snoopy
Thanks xsbank, I have been posting.... just haven't had much to say lately. Unfortunately business is on hold indefinitely due to various complications which have no easy resolution. That is being worked on, but in the meantime I am happy to report that I am having a great time flying in a new venue. Thank you for your thoughts...
Cheers,
Snoopy
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:48 pm
by The Shadow
Cat Driver and T-Cat obviously you 2 guys are very low time .....
Let me know how well you survive the accident when you loose a fan at 50ft, gross weight on a hot day with a 100 ft obstical.
If you had bothered (or understood) what you were reading when you looked at the performance graphs you would have clued in that all the critical #s are based on the critical engine operating .... name another twin that bases it's life #'s on the critical fan opperating. There isn't even performance figues for the critical engine inop. Put your head between your legs and kiss your hairy ass good bye.
R-985's are bullet proof however, they do fail and sometimes critically and many are unfeatherable failures.
A beech empty, critical engine catastropic, unfeathered and the brick is unflyable .... even empty. Ask the Red Lake lady who had that problem.
Anyway good luck and tonight when you go to sleep put a few jelly beans under your pillow so you can dream in color.
And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention .... you might live longer.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 6:59 pm
by The Shadow
Cat Driver let me quote a favourite of mine " IGNORANCE IS JUST A LACK OF PERSONAL AMBITION; STUPIDITY IS CONGENITAL" I believe this one is at the bottom of your post, guess that makes you somewhat congenitaly stupid.
When I posted "my" opinion of the Beech I wasn't looking to be insulted by some little snot nosed brat , but since you had the forsight to let your mouth run off with your brain I thought maybe I would mention this fact.
You are cute with the sayings but just remember when you f#ck up because you know it all, WE will sit and judge.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Tue Sep 02, 2008 7:35 pm
by Cat Driver
When I posted "my" opinion of the Beech I wasn't looking to be insulted by some little snot nosed brat , but since you had the forsight to let your mouth run off with your brain I thought maybe I would mention this fact
Hmmm, snot nosed brat huh?
Well lets see...
And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention ...
It just happens I have more time than you, both total and on sea planes, and disagree with your opinion on the beech 18 on floats......
A single engine airplane with an engine failure will glide to a landing.....a beech 18 with an engine failure will have what is called a " drift down rate of descent " and will in every instance fly farther than a single engine airplane with an engine failure....as long as the other engine is running normally.
Cat Driver and T-Cat obviously you 2 guys are very low time .....
Just goes to show that one should not jump to conclusions The Shadow, like I said not only do I have more time than you I'm betting I have more licenses than you and in more countries than you.
You are cute with the sayings but just remember when you f#ck up because you know it all, WE will sit and judge.
Well like I just said, I have more time than you and during the 55 years I have been flying most everything in the air I have yet to have to fill out an accident report or an insurance claim.....so you may have to sit in judgment for a while longer that is assuming you can get past your ego.

Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 6:13 pm
by bmc
The Shadow wrote:Cat Driver and T-Cat obviously you 2 guys are very low time .....
Let me know how well you survive the accident when you loose a fan at 50ft, gross weight on a hot day with a 100 ft obstical.
If you had bothered (or understood) what you were reading when you looked at the performance graphs you would have clued in that all the critical #s are based on the critical engine operating .... name another twin that bases it's life #'s on the critical fan opperating. There isn't even performance figues for the critical engine inop. Put your head between your legs and kiss your hairy ass good bye.
R-985's are bullet proof however, they do fail and sometimes critically and many are unfeatherable failures.
A beech empty, critical engine catastropic, unfeathered and the brick is unflyable .... even empty. Ask the Red Lake lady who had that problem.
Anyway good luck and tonight when you go to sleep put a few jelly beans under your pillow so you can dream in color.
And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention .... you might live longer.
Big ego.
Loud mouth.
Bad combo.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Sep 04, 2008 8:00 pm
by Cat Driver
BMC, you forgot to add ignorant of what he /she was yapping about.
Sometimes it pays to do a little research before you make such moronic statements, obviously the shadow forgot to do that.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 11:38 am
by Driving Rain
Shadow quoted Cat Driver.
Cat Driver let me quote a favourite of mine " IGNORANCE IS JUST A LACK OF PERSONAL AMBITION; STUPIDITY IS CONGENITAL" I believe this one is at the bottom of your post, guess that makes you somewhat congenitaly stupid.
Hey Shadow,
If ignorance is bliss....are you happy?
I had the left engine let go on a D-18 when I was about 90 miles from base at 8500 feet. The right engine took me the rest of the way home. (swallowed a valve) My log book says the load was 5 pass and gear plus a 9.6 horse outboard.
I treated them ( D-18's) has a single engine with more options. When the cloud base was low I'd follow water whenever possible, same as you'd do in a single. When the WX was clear or the cloud base was high I'd fly it upstairs. That little piece of reasoning saved the day for me twice as I recall.
BTW the Twin Beech on floats IMHO is still one of the nicest float planes on the planet to fly.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Fri Sep 05, 2008 12:15 pm
by Cat Driver
That is what makes Avcanada such an interesting place for entertainment Driving Rain.
Where else can you find these idiots who think that by posting nonsense such as " the Shadow " does everyone will be impressed and not see through their ignorance of the subject of flying?
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 9:01 am
by bmc
I find it sad that people resort to mudslinging on this particular forum. Ok on the Misc forum but not here.
Bush Flying, for me, takes me to a place where the culture was one of support for your fellow airman, great times in the bush (or arctic), tons of great stories, flying at less than 100 feet, etc. I read the passion for flying in this particular forum. I read the wisdom that supports the old saying of "old pilots, bold pilots, no old bold pilots".
There are lots of great guys here. No need to be jerks. It's just too bad that we can't pass a beer to each other when we're here.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:37 pm
by Old Dog Flying
I'm no expert on the Bug-smasher but I did manage quite a bit of time while in the Air Force and that included a couple of single engine night GCAs into Camp Borden during some training flights. We never considered the shakey old things to be death-traps...flown properly. Overloaded and flown by a bozo was a different matter.
After 30 years of not flying the C-45, my first take-off from CZBB was a formation with a pair of Harvards....Oh the good old days.
And I'd never challenge that crusty old fart from YCD on anything...including beer drinking.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2008 7:30 am
by CLguy
The Shadow, you would be the first guy I have ever came across who claims to have some time on floats in the 18 that doesn't have nothing but praise for it so I am a little skeptical. I have about 2500 hours in them and as far as I'm concerned it was still the greatest time of my life and one of the greatest planes to ever sit on floats. I would recommend if anyone ever gets the chance to drive one, don't pass it up!
Like Driving Rain said, you just treat it like a single engine airplane except it is better!!
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:14 pm
by 302sc
I concur with beechboy well said !! I flew the 18 on floats (cf-prz) even carried freighter canoes outside ratcheted up on the homemade bars in the middle just loved that old plane and even flew it once on one engine in level flight with a load of empty 45 gls barrels for over 100 miles and it did maintain altitude .
we were paid by the mile then and the speed made the paycheck definitively better than any single float plane then..
I just hated the hand pumping of the rear compartments cause we lost the rubber balls every day
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:30 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
I just hated the hand pumping of the rear compartments cause we lost the rubber balls every day
I kept my arms and wrists in shape hand pumping on long flights.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 7:57 pm
by Mr. North
Just going over some old posts and I found this quite funny.
You may remember,
The Shadow wrote:And the next time someone who has 29,000 hours, of which 11,000 are on water tells you something pay attention .... you might live longer.
...and more recently from another thread (
http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopi ... 32#p453632),
License: CDN ATPL Airline Transport Pilot License
Group 1 Multi-Engine Instrument Rating (lapsed)
Float Endorsement / Class IV Flight Instructor Rating (lapsed)
Type Ratings / PPCs: BE20 PA31
Medical: Category 1 Medical - No Restrictions
FLIGHT TIME
TOTAL TIME 3386
Pilot In Command 2327
Multi-Engine 1631
Multi-Engine PIC 787
Float / Seaplane 765
Multi-Engine Turboprop 1080
TYPES FLOWN
BE20 Beech Super King Air 200 Turboprop
EMB110 Embraer Bandeirante Turboprop
PA31 Piper Navajo 350 Chieftain Twin
DHC-2 DeHavilland Beaver Floatplane
Beech 18 Floatplane
C185/180/206 Cessna Floatplane (C-206 amphib)
Haha too funny!
On another note, here's one of my favorite shots from this past summer.

Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:23 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
Were is another gem by The Shadow:
Cat Driver let me quote a favourite of mine " IGNORANCE IS JUST A LACK OF PERSONAL AMBITION; STUPIDITY IS CONGENITAL" I believe this one is at the bottom of your post, guess that makes you somewhat congenitaly stupid.
When I posted "my" opinion of the Beech I wasn't looking to be insulted by some little snot nosed brat , but since you had the forsight to let your mouth run off with your brain I thought maybe I would mention this fact.
You are cute with the sayings but just remember when you f#ck up because you know it all, WE will sit and judge.
Me thinks his mouth was running off with no brain involved.

Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:38 pm
by tcraft
The Shadow wrote:Trust me I flew one for many years and other than stuff legends are made of the Beech 18 is just a death trap .......... it was a lousy transport traner and a worse float plane.
This must have been in another life.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:21 pm
by CLguy
Cat, you little snot nosed brat!!!! F**k I can't stop laughing!! Man oh man, if he only knew!! I can remember you be called a lot of things, you whore monger, porn star wannabee but snot nosed is over the top!!!!
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:22 pm
by ragbagflyer
Mr. North, If you don't put that last pic of the Beech in the sunset into "Pics from a Swamper" I'll do it for you. Beautiful!
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:33 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
Yeh that was priceless CLguy.
Maybe you could get The Shadow to give me some pointers on how to fly a B18?

Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:49 pm
by Hedley
Speaking of pointers on how to fly the Beech 18 ... I
finally got around to checking myself out in it. Had to
do a couple annuals, get a new release of software
out the door ... I just wanted to say "thanks" to everyone
for all the really great tips I got here.
It's a honey of an aircraft (on wheels). I really don't
know what all the horror stories are about. A little
differential thrust on takeoff, and it flew beautifully -
Beechcraft really are the Mercedes of the sky. And
it was a pussycat to land. It does wonderful, gentle
wheel landings - you can keep the tail up forever!
Apparently the previous owner only did 3-point
landings, which seems insane to me, but whatever
floats your boat, I guess.
Thanks again, guys! Just goes to show what horsesh1t
all the hangar tales are.
P.S. Anybody know how to fly a moo-too? It looks
like my kind of airplane - ugly as sin, fast as a scalded
cat, painfully noisy, and with a really horrible reputation
as a pilot eater.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 6:13 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
It's a honey of an aircraft (on wheels). I really don't
know what all the horror stories are about
It's even better on floats Hedley.
A true pilots airplane in the same class as the DC3.
I told you you would love it.
I bet your kid could check himself out in it with no problem.

Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:38 pm
by BeechBoy007
Ours is almost ready to fly,finishing an annual on it since its been sitting idle for a bit. Can't wait.
Will give you a call . when its ready.
Re: Beech 18.... End of an era?
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 10:56 pm
by Chuck Ellsworth
Great, then you can help me assemble the floats for the Husky.
