Has anyone got the call??

[flyinhigh]

Shows how screwed up our company is, we get a new contract and now they want to work us with more overtime.

MMMM, good thing I have never done and don't intend to do any WDO's any time soon.

[Rogue_Rooster]

I don't understand why they would still be conducting interviews if they didn't intend to hire?

[floatrrr]

There are many things that will never be understood at Jazz. Understand this though as someone else posted above, 85% of the pilots at Jazz voted to work 3 WDO's a month so the company could avoid hiring and upgrades. Jazz does not want proper crew coverage and relies on PIGS to do extra flying to cover the pairings. With a vote of 85%, that's plenty of PIGS.

[meatball]

Floatrrr... I think you're out of line.

IMO,

85% of pilots voted for better pay, better per diems, way better pension for the new guys, and improved working conditions.

15% of pilots voted against the contract because they thought the improvements didn't go far enough. I don't know of any JAZZ pilot who said "nope... gotta vote that contract down... too many WDO's allowed..."

[Stinky]

Would you prefer a draft system? When was the last time you were forced to work overtime?
It's a pretty good system if you ask me. I haven't done a WDO in over a year but it's nice to know if I'm short of cash I could.

[Flying Low]

85% of pilots voted for better pay, better per diems, way better pension for the new guys, and improved working conditions.

Don't forget that some voted "YES" way because they felt theay had no other choice with the government tampering with our negotiations. I doubt 3 WDO's was an influence for anyone.

[countryhick]

My opinion,

Management will try to run lean until they FINALLY realize that not everyone is interested in working 3 extra days/month. Panic will then ensue when the staffing levels are such that the CPA flying can not be covered. A top level, six sigma manager will then suggest that the company should hire pilots. Interviews will commence with breakneck speed, said manager will be rewarded with a bonus that reflects the incredible foresight shown, and new pilots will join the Jazz ranks!!

[Old fella]

Just out of curiosity, will your current slate of pilots fill the positions on the charter B757 operations. Bet your company(Jazz) will do pretty well in this type of flying notwithstanding the fact a wide body B757 is a nice airplane, lots of room, good range for southern destinations. Beats a cramped B737 when that is full to the brim.....

[vmc_demo]

A Boeing 757 is not a wide body aircraft

it has the same cabin width as a 737

[countryhick]

The initial 6 757's are YYZ based a/c, and will be crewed by YYZ RJ pilots. These pilots are considered "surplus", for lack of a better word, due to the seasonal variances associated with the CPA flying. There will be contract training pilots hired for the short term to get the program up and running.

[Old fella]

A Boeing 757 is not a wide body aircraft

it has the same cabin width as a 737

I stand corrected for my error.......... thanks.

[Old fella]

The initial 6 757's are YYZ based a/c, and will be crewed by YYZ RJ pilots. These pilots are considered "surplus", for lack of a better word, due to the seasonal variances associated with the CPA flying. There will be contract training pilots hired for the short term to get the program up and running.

All southern destinations will be from YYZ confirm, and those of us in YHZ will have to go to YYZ(with JAZZ or AC). WJ/AT/CJ offer departures from Maritime points direct(depending on your destination of course).

[rudder]

All southern destinations will be from YYZ confirm, and those of us in YHZ will have to go to YYZ(with JAZZ or AC). WJ/AT/CJ offer departures from Maritime points direct(depending on your destination of course).

Thomas Cook runs storefronts under about 10 different names. I am certain that these agencies offer direct flights from most or all major canadian centres. It is not unusual for companies like Thomas Cook to buy lift on another air carrier to complete packages where it cannot justify its own dedicated lift.

[countryhick]

Not sure about YHZ, all I have heard is that there will be originating flts out of YYZ and YUL. YHZ, YOW and others have been mentioned, but not sure if that is concrete.

[dream_big]

Explain something to me. If flights are originating not only out of YYZ, but also YOW, YUL and said YHZ, then why on earth is it only a YYZ RJ bid. Why can`t the YUL rj pilots bid on it as well, if their going to be repositioning crews out there anyway.

Honestly, whatever the excuse ppl use, I think their pretty sad. Just seems like it defeats the ENTIRE purpose of seniority based company. And I`m sure guys out west with 30+ will agree that they don`t think it`s fair that a guy with 10+ years is holding a seat they can`t. If all the departures were only out of YYZ, i`d may be pursued more so but that fact that there are flights out of YUL and that NO YUL pilots can bid on it is just pathetic.!

[hnl]

A Boeing 757 is not a wide body aircraft

it has the same cabin width as a 737

The cabin of a B-737/B-757 can fly through the engine of a B-777

[El Comat]

Explain something to me. If flights are originating not only out of YYZ, but also YOW, YUL and said YHZ, then why on earth is it only a YYZ RJ bid. Why can`t the YUL rj pilots bid on it as well, if their going to be repositioning crews out there anyway.

Honestly, whatever the excuse ppl use, I think their pretty sad. Just seems like it defeats the ENTIRE purpose of seniority based company. And I`m sure guys out west with 30+ will agree that they don`t think it`s fair that a guy with 10+ years is holding a seat they can`t. If all the departures were only out of YYZ, i`d may be pursued more so but that fact that there are flights out of YUL and that NO YUL pilots can bid on it is just pathetic.!

That was a very narrow-minded and uneducated post. They have spare RJ crews in YYZ during the winter, so instead of posting reductions and doing a huge shuffle, they "force" the reduced YYZ pilots onto the 757. This promotes base stability. Not sure why people are so gung-ho to fly a clapped out 757 for $0 more than a Dash 8. ALPA has made it clear that this was done to get the ball rolling, and if the 757 operation gets bigger or goes year-round, they will open it up to a system-wide bid.

It's funny, I bet people at other bases wouldn't be bitching if the 757s were going to their base! If you're so concerned about the matter, contact someone from the MEC, or your local LEC rep. They will be more than happy to explain the logic behind the bid.

EC

[TopperHarley]

Im pretty sure that when we first got the RJs, things were kind of "messy" at first with the bid and hiring of crews. It takes time for things to get sorted out.

Im sure down the road, the bid will be open to all bases.

[rudder]

One would have to assume that all concerned made an assessment of the volume of flying that originated at each station, the frequency, and the months of operation and therefore assesed the appropriate crew deployment. For example, if there were enough 757 flying for YUL for 1 aircraft, would it make sense to staff it from YUL? What if all the flying was just December to March (4 months)? What if all the flying was just fri/sat/sun? What would you do for reserve? What about line indoc? What about flight attendants? Would anybody accept the job for just 4 months?

It is likely that all options were considered and the best (not perfect) outcome was a single 757 base for 2010-2011.

[Old fella]

I am sure JAZZ will do alright as this is a market(Southern sun destinations) that is attractive. I mean where else can you get a vacation all inclusive 7 days for 2 (air fare, accomodation, food, booze) for 2G. It may be a 3 star spot, perhaps a 4 star if you shop carefully. As long as the WX is good most are happy and food is reasonable.

[Seriously?]

A Boeing 757 is not a wide body aircraft

it has the same cabin width as a 737

The cabin of a B-737/B-757 can fly through the engine of a B-777

How? ...wouldn't it get hung up in all the turbine blades and accessories and stuff?

[Jean-Pierre]

Not sure why people are so gung-ho to fly a clapped out 757 for $0 more than a Dash 8.

Someone with the balls to say it!

[whiteguy]

I am sure JAZZ will do alright as this is a market(Southern sun destinations) that is attractive. I mean where else can you get a vacation all inclusive 7 days for 2 (air fare, accomodation, food, booze) for 2G. It may be a 3 star spot, perhaps a 4 star if you shop carefully. As long as the WX is good most are happy and food is reasonable.

Jazz is just operating the aircraft for Thomas Cook, they aren't selling the vacation packages.

[Canoehead]

There are many things that will never be understood at Jazz. Understand this though as someone else posted above, 85% of the pilots at Jazz voted to work 3 WDO's a month so the company could avoid hiring and upgrades. Jazz does not want proper crew coverage and relies on PIGS to do extra flying to cover the pairings. With a vote of 85%, that's plenty of PIGS.

Wow. On the other forum you talk about '757 whores' and here it's 'pigs'.

As one of the 85% who voted yes, would you be willing to call me a pig to my face?
How about calling any of my colleagues going on the 757 a whore?

FWIW, many of your posts/points are valid (I've been reading that other forum since about 1996), but you just lost all credibility with me.

[GTFA]

Not sure why people are so gung-ho to fly a clapped out 757 for $0 more than a Dash 8.

Someone with the balls to say it!

The saying goes: "Ignorance is bliss", but it appears to be giving some people significant discomfort.

The contract that the pilots have at Jazz is of significant benefit to ALL the pilots, they do not differentiate between aircraft weight/speed. The wages and working conditions recognize that a pilot has value for the job he does not the size of aircraft he flies. The cost to Jazz to pay the pilots is the same as if the pay were based on weight and speed and the cost to the contractee is also the same. No one is whoring anything... It's kinda like "One for all and All for one", or "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." Etc. Etc. There are more benefits to status pay than there are detriments.

Your mind is like a parachute... it only works when it's open.

GTFA