Ice Pilots Started

[co-joe]

Yikes! Sounds like a perfect time for a Go Around.

I was looking through the TSB website at the tragic summer you guys in YZF just had and see if I could understand Joe's reaction to the G/A thing. The YRB crash looks like it was on a late initiated G/A in poor wx although the report isn't finalised yet. The Twin otter report isn't out yet either, however I was told it had something to do with a GA on a bounced landing or something of the sort.

Anyway not looking to pass judgement and you do have my sincere condolences, anyone involved. I can see a boss using the rule of intensity to attempt to teach the youngins to remember the consequence can be dire. (ie the more intense the lesson, the more likely you are to remember it)Not a big fan of his delivery but I've worked for people like him so I can understand.

That whole witch hunt thing made me laugh. Who hasn't been standing face to face with TC enforcement thinking the same thing? Yeah me neither...nevermind...

[Ecco]

For a complete computer know nothing like me, can someone please post a place I can actually watch season 4 episode 1 of ice pilots? online (no tv here) may need to leave semi detailed instructions thanks

It's now been posted on the History Channel site: http://www.history.ca/video/#video

Hey Guy's, on the Hystory chanel web site i'm only abbel to see episode 1 of season 4... 2 and 3 seems available but when i click on it, only freaking previews are showing..

Are they available or not?

thx for helping

[Diadem]

Hey Guy's, on the Hystory chanel web site i'm only abbel to see episode 1 of season 4... 2 and 3 seems available but when i click on it, only freaking previews are showing..

Are they available or not?

thx for helping

Well, only two episodes have aired, so you're probably not going to be able to watch episode three yet. Several Canadian networks, including Discovery Channel and now History, only post videos for some shows a week after the episode aired on tv, thereby allowing them to re-run it several times during the week. Thus, last week's episode will be released on their website this Wednesday after the new episode airs.
There are other websites which stream tv shows for free, the day after airing in the case of Ice Pilots, but I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to share those details here. There's nothing illegal about watching them, since nothing is being downloaded (uploading may be a different story) but I'm not sure the mods want such links posted here.

[Ecco]

Hey Guy's, on the Hystory chanel web site i'm only abbel to see episode 1 of season 4... 2 and 3 seems available but when i click on it, only freaking previews are showing..

Are they available or not?

thx for helping

Well, only two episodes have aired, so you're probably not going to be able to watch episode three yet. Several Canadian networks, including Discovery Channel and now History, only post videos for some shows a week after the episode aired on tv, thereby allowing them to re-run it several times during the week. Thus, last week's episode will be released on their website this Wednesday after the new episode airs.
There are other websites which stream tv shows for free, the day after airing in the case of Ice Pilots, but I'm not sure whether I'm allowed to share those details here. There's nothing illegal about watching them, since nothing is being downloaded (uploading may be a different story) but I'm not sure the mods want such links posted here.

thx very much... my P.M box is wide open for further information..

[Gino Under]

I liked the part where Buffalo Joe gets in the face of the Transport Canada Inspector and says "I pay your salary."
Well, I'm pretty sure Transport Canada Inspectors pay taxes as well so I guess they're 'self employed' judging by that logic.

Gino Under

[oldyellr]

Well, only two episodes have aired, so you're probably not going to be able to watch episode three yet. Several Canadian networks, including Discovery Channel and now History, only post videos for some shows a week after the episode aired on tv, thereby allowing them to re-run it several times during the week. Thus, last week's episode will be released on their website this Wednesday after the new episode airs.

Ironically, this season Ice Pilots airs only the one time each week before going into reruns later in the year.

[N2]

If I were the inspector when Joe got in his face and stated "I pay your salary" I would have responded ...Yeah ya cheap prick and I've being meaning to talk to you about a raise!

[North Shore]

^ funny, dat!

[CID]

Why would anyone work for this dinosaur?

[Beefitarian]

Why would anyone work for this dinosaur?

Transport Canada you mean?

[Cat Driver]

Beautiful response Beef.

[highlander]

Just watched last night's episode where Andrew leaves for Cathay.

During the show the one scene that really upset me most was how Mikey McBrian's sister (i think) treated the new 'rampie'. To me, that was completely unprofessional and sends a terrible message. Whether or not it was supposed to be funny I don't get it. (Maybe it was edited for TV so it comes across a certain way)

No matter what your job is in aviation- rampie, dispatcher, pilot, ame, guy/gal who drains the lav's, etc everyone deserves respect and everyone deserves to be treated fairly.

I remember working the ramp-and perhaps two of the worst jobs I had was applying hot tar to the ramp and cleaning out gutters. It was awful work, but the people around me treated me with respect and dignity and made sure I felt welcomed- and appreciated the work I do.

Working at Buffalo might very well be one of the "hardest places" to work at- but perhaps it's not so much the physical work- it's how people are treated.

To all the rampies and pilot wannabe's out there- this industry can be tough, it can be challenging, but above all else- believe me- it is rewarding.

[ogopogo]

I wish they'd show more airplane stuff and less Bravo Sierra about the human side of things. I guess the general public would lose interest, though. I can't believe that kid (what is he, maybe twelve?) got on with Cathay. (Did I hear right when they said it was the world's 3rd largest airline??? Maybe I misunderstood)

Still, I love the show despite the over dramatization (that 150 low-and-over stuff was waaaay over the top).

[woodzi]

Still, I love the show despite the over dramatization (that 150 low-and-over stuff was waaaay over the top).

Yeah, but the helicopter that was doing the filming had 6 TIMES the horsepower !

[iflyforpie]

Still, I love the show despite the over dramatization (that 150 low-and-over stuff was waaaay over the top).

Yeah, but the helicopter that was doing the filming had 6 TIMES the horsepower !

And the same top speed.

[CLguy]

Don't think for a minute that by Andrew getting accepted into the Cathay Cadet Program in Adelaide that he has won the lottery. He is in for a very long, miserable and very hungry time but that is for another thread.

[Beefitarian]

but that is for another thread.

This one, viewtopic.php?f=13&t=81331&hilit=Cathay or the 215 page one the second post there mentions on pprune?

[LuckyPilot]

highlander, couldn't agree with you more. Joe can walk around like ranting idiot, that's expected! Show a modicum of respect, even kindness, and effort will be returned, in spades. All I could think was, what a small town b!#ch this women is. If in your mind they have already left, chances fair they will. Would she treat her own son with such disdain?, Maybe she does, that would explain a lot.

What ever happened to the rampie from the first season, he posted here for a while, and what came off his friend who went back to India?

As far as Andrew and Cathay, what a great opportunity! Joe should be concerned about this, Cathay has the reputation of going back to the same well over and over again, particularly if Andrew works out.

[Adiabatic]

I might be spoiling it for some....

Lets say...

Early February a left seat Electra PPC that had only 2.9 dedicated training before the PPC.
A PPC at the time, that if I didn't take it, there could possibly be no crew for the airplane for any work that would come up.
My commercial flying career started at buffalo
A life changing emergency landing happens early March.
My boss doesn't even say anything to me after the emergency other than to help get that %#€£ airplane off the runway. Later that night I get a call saying I did a good job...
I proceed to fly the other Electra three days later, to continue our constant work.
I end up flying 3 trips a day weather permitting up to the max allowable due to the duty days.
At the end of march I get a call that another job may be available. By Good Friday I put in my two weeks notice, and I continue flying when needed until my last day, when I fly the Electra for the last time.
My mentor in the Electra is also leaving at the end of the month.
I didn't tell the boss before my interview that I was thinking of leaving. If I did I'm sure I would have been yelled at anyways. I had my job application in for that company a year before.
By the time I left there was at least one crew for the Electra, which was the case for the first 3 years the Electra was around.
Oh and after our initial report of what we went through, there was never any follow up with the crew about what happened and why.

Am I a bad man? I'm pretty sure the story will be in this new season. I am just looking for opinions is all. I am very happy with my choice at the moment, and a lot of stress was lifted off my shoulders. All I care about was that I would be happy. It was pretty much always on my mind after my accident to find another place to hang my hat.

SB

[N2]

I watched the show tonight and if Joe really treats people like that I am surprised he is still upright! Talk about begging for an ass kicking.

[FlyGy]

I didn't tell the boss before my interview that I was thinking of leaving.

Judging from how I've seen him react on Television when he discovers that an employee has chosen to move on, why would you want to tell him?

Am I a bad man? I'm pretty sure the story will be in this new season. I am just looking for opinions is all. I am very happy with my choice at the moment, and a lot of stress was lifted off my shoulders. All I care about was that I would be happy.

SB

You've answered your own question here. You're happy and you're not as distressed, no doubt those who are close to you have also noticed a positive change in you. You aren't on this earth to be Joe's bitch and be miserable. You need to do what is right for YOU.

[shifty]

Am I a bad man?

SB

Not at all, I would have handled the situation the same way. When I left my first flying job, a place I worked at for 3.5 years, I didn't tell my chief pilot until I had a firm offer from the company I was going to.

If I hadn't gotten this new job, I would have happily returned to my old company and continued working there. I didn't leave because I didn't like the company or didn't get along with my boss, I left because I had an opportunity to advance my career AND have a better lifestyle.

I didn't want my chief pilot knowing that I was looking for work because if I hadn't gotten the new job it could have limited me at the company I was working for. When I left, there was still room for advancement within the company if I had chosen to stay.

I give kudos to anyone that gives their boss warning that they're looking for a job, it's a nice thing to do. But I don't think it's a smart thing to do at most small companies where up grades and promotions are often based on who the chief pilot or the owner like best. But that's just my 2 cents..

[Taiser]

I just watched this ep... theatrical or not, Joe (and his daughter) is not going to be keeping too many rampies if he keeps acting this way. You would think all he would have to do is give them a few hours a month in a plane and that would go a long way for morale! And what was the big deal about doing the annual on the 150? Wasn't the film company paying Buffalo for it? Why would he bitch about that? Still good entertainment though...

[highlander]

I might be spoiling it for some....

Lets say...

Early February a left seat Electra PPC that had only 2.9 dedicated training before the PPC.
A PPC at the time, that if I didn't take it, there could possibly be no crew for the airplane for any work that would come up.
My commercial flying career started at buffalo
A life changing emergency landing happens early March.
My boss doesn't even say anything to me after the emergency other than to help get that %#€£ airplane off the runway. Later that night I get a call saying I did a good job...
I proceed to fly the other Electra three days later, to continue our constant work.
I end up flying 3 trips a day weather permitting up to the max allowable due to the duty days.
At the end of march I get a call that another job may be available. By Good Friday I put in my two weeks notice, and I continue flying when needed until my last day, when I fly the Electra for the last time.
My mentor in the Electra is also leaving at the end of the month.
I didn't tell the boss before my interview that I was thinking of leaving. If I did I'm sure I would have been yelled at anyways. I had my job application in for that company a year before.
By the time I left there was at least one crew for the Electra, which was the case for the first 3 years the Electra was around.
Oh and after our initial report of what we went through, there was never any follow up with the crew about what happened and why.

Am I a bad man? I'm pretty sure the story will be in this new season. I am just looking for opinions is all. I am very happy with my choice at the moment, and a lot of stress was lifted off my shoulders. All I care about was that I would be happy. It was pretty much always on my mind after my accident to find another place to hang my hat.

SB

I've been on both sides (Chief pilot and Pilot)and to sum it all up what has to happen in any company on both sides is to have respect. If either party does not have respect, you can't expect to be treated fairly or enjoy the work you do. I always appreciated as much notice as possible when pilots left the company. I always wished them well when they left- most times for something "bigger and better". Yes it was frustrating when a pilot quit for these jobs without spending much time with us- but that's how aviation works- it's hard on employers- a lot of time and money is spent on training. If you are in a negative work environment- I can truly appreciate why you would not give advance notice of an interview. Often, we forget that we have to look out for number 1 which is us the pilot. Always look at opportunities out there- but also try not to burn bridges along the way and that also goes for employers as well. I found that as a CP I tried to be respectful, and I believe most of the pilots that worked for me understood that. I treated them fairly. I tried to look at the "big picture".

If you are happy, if you are not stressed out- I would guess you made a good decision.

[ogopogo]

What is the big deal about this? Why on earth would anyone tell their boss they've looking for another job?? I'm not in aviation (but I have a CPL) but in all businesses I've been in you hand in your resignation after getting another offer in your hand.

If this is about leaving the employer high and dry, then the employer needs to manage the operation better and plan ahead.