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[CpnCrunch]

Class 1: yes, avcanada has it's share of idiots and trolls, and that's why there aren't too many flying instructors left here. However you're not helping things very much yourself here. Sometimes you just need to back off and ignore the crap rather than retaliating. I think you can make some valuable contributions here, but you just need to relax a bit.

This is actually my third username on avcanada - the first two times I decided to leave due to getting involved in huge flamewars. I've (mostly) learned my lesson, and so can you.

[Beefitarian]

You indeed used BPF's first name Cat. I'll Private message you a link if I can find the post.

Edit: they must have erased the post because a search for it comes up with you using his name talking about other people.

[Cat Driver]

Hmmm....I don't recall using his or her first name but it is possible...

......however if I did use his or her first name is it a name that would be so uncommon that it would identify him or her without a last name?

By the way I still am not positive exactly who Big Pistons really is because he or she has never actually told me in person who he or she is......

......but I think I know anyhow.....

The bottom line in this internet communicating is if someone really wants to find out who is making any internet communications it is not really all that anonymous.

[Beefitarian]

You did not say anything bad about him but some of us don't really want people judging us on junk conversations on the Internet. Look how often you get people writing something on here that pisses you off.

I'm pretty sure if we met I'd make you laugh. Here you've considered quitting because of some joke I was making. Then again I'm pretty much a master at dead pan delivery so sometimes I get people wound up in real life too.

[Cat Driver]

I will be in Alberta with the motorhome this summer and will buy you a beer or coffee or what ever beef.

I started using my real name on Pprune because my flying business was based in England and knew a lot of people in aviation so had no problem using my real name.

Here in Canada it is the same, I just don't give a fu.k if people do not agree with a lot of what I think or say.....

.....

[Beefitarian]

It's a date. I might have to give you a fake name so you don't use my real one on the internet, but you can park in my yard for a while if you want.

[jump154]

Just watch out Cat, as Beef will most likely creep up on you in the dark while you are having supper

And that is when Internet handles become really silly -- Introducing you to my wife "Mrs Jump, this is, errrm, Beef.....".
Too funny.

[Cat Driver]

The weird thing about these internet forums jump is the need for anonimity.....

.....in real life the first thing people do is exchange names.

[Beefitarian]

In real life there's tones and mannerisms. these stupid things don't work.

My dog should get used to you. He's worse when he's in my wife's Avalanche or it's dark out. In Mr & Mrs Jump's case both.

[Sun85]

I teach my students to never say the word takeoff. When they are holding short and are ready for takeoff they say for example "ABC 18 at Alpha, Ready". When tower clears them for takeoff they say "cleared to go 18 ABC". The reason for this is I once observed a near midair caused by a student pilot hearing "Cleared for takeoff" from an aircraft on another runway and thought it was tower telling him to takeoff.

Just curious - I am a new pilot and am (was?) under the impression that two different runways can be used for landings at the same time, but not for takeoffs. Would you be able to provide a CARS or AIM reference in regards to simultaneous runway takeoffs?

Also, to avoid the kind of confusion that have caused a close call you've described, would it not be better to have a pilot say "cleared to takeoff (runway) two-six (callsign)?"

[Sun85]

Aircraft: TOWER VICTOR CHARLIE DELTA REQUEST
Tower: VICTOR CHARLIE DELTA STANDBY

One might surmise that the controller may want the frequency clear for an instruction he needs to issue shortly. Do you acknowledge, or not? No criticism intended (by me) for either answer. Personally, I don't - but nor can I get rid of the nagging feeling each time, that I should have. Not a biggie, obviously.

Photofly, don't have that nagging feeling - there is NO need to acknowledge a request to standby - it's a request to not say anything for the time being, and by not saying anything you are complying with that request. In fact, by saying "standing by" you might upset ATC who is trying to do several things at once and expect not to hear from you until they have time to talk with you again.

[Sun85]

I always thought the "ready" call was redundant.

How about: "TOWER ABC HOLDING SHORT 25"

Of course you're ready, you're calling him aren't you?

At my aerodrome we do say "(callsign) ready on (taxiway name)" because you might still be rolling towards the hold short line at that moment, which means you are not actually "holding short" when you address the ATC.

[Shiny Side Up]

The weird thing about these internet forums jump is the need for anonimity.....

.....in real life the first thing people do is exchange names.

If this really was the virtual equivilent a bunch of guys sitting around shooting the shit over some beers. Its not though. It is, well, a forum. In most cases the identity of the speaker is unimportant or irrelevant. People are free to voice opinion, ask question and trade ideas, all that matters is whether you feel their idea carries the weight of logic and reason.

Having had to speak in front of and to groups in the past, I don't need to know these people to answer their questions, nor really do they need to know me. They are either swayed by what one has to present or they are not.

[CpnCrunch]

Here's my theory...in real life most people have inhibitions that prevent them saying dumb things and offending the people they're talking to. It seems that this filter doesn't operate as well when people are posting to strangers on a forum.

Perhaps it would be better if everyone had to use their real name and photograph, and also post their life story. Then you might think of the other person as a real human being rather than an anonymous avatar.

[Shiny Side Up]

That theory would work good if the forum was a private one and some sort of means could be used to verify the speakers - but that's more the territory of chat rooms than forums. An open forum, by its nature demands of you that anything you speak aloud to the crowd that you be prepared to defend. By its nature it is argumentitave - which is why I would speculate that many of us come here, we simply like to argue over stuff. Any new thread on here might be construed as an open challenge, and to a large potential audience to boot.

Consider an actual public forum or a public debate on any given topic. The speaker might field comments and questions from a variety of people in the audience. I've yet so see one where the speaker needed to check the identity or credibility of the questioner, his own speech shall stand alone in his defense.

[mcrit]

Just read through this thread. Everybody give your heads' a fucking shake. Cat, WTF is wrong with you? Why do you have to turn everything into a dick measuring contest? Do you really think that adds a goddamned thing to the topic? You remind me of the 15 year olds I used to teach.

Class 1; grow a thicker skin and learn how to stay on topic and avoid getting distracted.

[Big Pistons Forever]

After reading this thread and the other radio thread all I can say is WOW


If this is the future of the flight training forum then I think Cat Driver did me a favour.......

[Beefitarian]

Oddly enough I don't go online to argue. I hope to have discussions.

I attended a "Christmas party" last night. (Because it was easy to book a legion in January)

We sat at a table with 4 people I never met and the other 2 I had spoken to very briefly at meetings for the organization. My wife had never met anyone there.

When I said something stupid or just inaccurate, no one felt the need to verbally establish dominance to offer correction. They could just state their facts and we discussed things.

Here it's a bit more like everyone's had too many rye and cokes.

[Chaxterium]

This is the kind of thread I like to read with a bowl of popcorn and an old episode of Jerry Springer playing in the background.

[GUMPS]

Well, this thread was not worth spending 15 minutes reading...