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Gilles Hudicourt
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Re: Union Incompetence- ALPA

Post by Gilles Hudicourt »

florch wrote: Both are common, enough, and I'm not here to argue the merits of either. I just heard - second hand only, I'll say right off the bat - that some Transat guys refused jobs offered by SW when they were required to resign as a condition of employment. This is a little different than the story that's going on here that AT guys were being ignored for jobs. There is also the inconvenient timeline issue of the AT pilots being laid off too late to be useable by SW by the time hiring and training needed to be commenced.

So where does the truth lie?
AC and Westjet asked resignations also but no bonds. Sunwing wanted bonds AND resignations.

I also heard that some AT pilots refused in that last batch of hiring.

As for last fall. AT Transat laid off in two batches: Oct 1 and Nov 1.

Nine of Sunwings extra aircraft, so over 100 foreign pilots' worth, only arrived in Canada in December, the last on Dec 19. There was not time to train A-310 and A-330 drivers on the 737 between Oct 01 and Dec 19 ?

Two weeks of ground school. Four weeks of Sim, and 25 hours of line endoc (3 round trips to the DR or Cancun) is what it takes.

(e) Transition Line Indoctrination - Requirements

(i) transition line indoctrination shall be conducted under the supervision of a training pilot;

(ii) during transition line indoctrination, the pilot-in-command and second-in-command shall perform their duties in their respective position. Where the transitioning pilot has completed at least 2 sectors as pilot flying and has satisfactorily demonstrated to the training pilot that he or she is qualified to perform the duties of the position, the training pilot may occupy the jump seat;

(iii) Sectors Requirement
(amended 1998/09/01; previous version)

Transition line indoctrination requires:

(A) the pilot to complete 4 mandatory sectors, 2 sectors of which to be performed as pilot flying and 2 sectors as pilot not flying, or 3 sectors as pilot flying and 1 sector as pilot not flying;

(iv) Flight Time Requirements

(C) Aeroplanes With Turbo-jet Engines

(I) 25 hours; and

(II) after completing the 4 mandatory sectors, the remaining time may be reduced by 1 hour for each additional sector flown to a maximum reduction of 12.5 hours.
This could have been done if there had been a will. But I think that Sunwing only gets to lease the 737s from Europe on the condition that they also hire the European pilots. What will TUIfly, Thomson, Travel Service, Arkfly do with their 737 pilots all winter if they dry lease all of these aircraft to Sunwing without pilots ?
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Re: Union Incompetence- ALPA

Post by rudder »

Gilles,

Unless there are official pilot interchange agreements in place between Canadian carriers then a request for termination of previous employment relationships is a reasonable and legally sustainable condition of an offer of permanent employment.

Training bonds? Most union shops have done away with that concept. Not sure why the CAW at SW has allowed it to remain.
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Re: Union Incompetence- ALPA

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Gilles Hudicourt wrote:
florch wrote:If an employer is required to hire a laid off pilot, is it reasonable to ask that pilot to resign from their current job from which they were on furlough? Obviously this would be to prevent them from immediately hopping back when recalled while leaving their new employer short staffed and out the cost of training...
So that pilot is asked to sign a bond to cover the cost of his training AND to resign from previous employer ?

If the bond is already there to protect the investment made in the training, what is the purpose of the resignation ?

I am 100% with Gilles on this point. What is the point of the resignation when there is a 24 month Training Bond signed?

In fact I think it would be great if there was a cooperation between both companies to have some of these laid off AT guys go back and forth....and who is to say...even some SWG guys in the future to be able to go back and forth as well. Would mean more year round employment for more Canadian Pilots.

Perhaps if both organizations are concerned about loosing their investment in pilot training, they should get together and work out such an arrangement between themselves. Why do the little guys always have to loose? What is wrong with having a back up employer in this business even if it can only be seasonal?

Just my thoughts....
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Re: Union Incompetence- ALPA

Post by florch »

Actually, that's a fantastic idea. I was assuming the worst, with guys getting recalled during the busy season. Maybe, if we want a Canadian solution, we should expect some cooperation between companies. Imagine, having somewhere else to go if you got laid off! Thanks for thinking bigger than I was!
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Re: Union Incompetence- ALPA

Post by ea306 »

Well if it was possible to get both unions and both companies on the same page...wouldn't that be something!

Imagine......(Hearing John Lennon ringing in my ears now...)
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