Aviation Document Booklet - Expiration

[Cat Driver]

One of the few things in life I have never been able to figure out is why Canadians are content to pay endless taxes to their government regardless of how little they get for the taxes they pay.

[Phlyer]

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[Cessna 180]

I got my initial IFR in June. Application was submitted in Ontario to the Hamilton office. 2 months go by, no sticker, doesn't show up in the general aviation website login. Call TC Toronto, oh they lost the results. Well now my rating is going to expire. They get me to email them a copy of the results, tell me they're going to rush me a sticker. Never got it, now it's the last day before expiry.

I moved to Alberta, so I figured, why not just go into the local TC office in Edmonton and see if they can help me? Well after spending 30 minutes trying to find the office which is not well marked in the building full of bureaucrats, the TC secretary tells me they don't do anything at this office (shocker) and gives me a number in Winnipeg to call. Of course it goes to voice mail.

So I figure one last shot, I call up the folks in Hamilton and tell the lady there the story. Within an hour, they emailed me a temporary license (blue page) free of charge. They even denoted that the emailed copy is proof of my license so I wouldn't have any hick-ups.

Why can an office 2000 miles away from me send me an email like that while the people who's office I'm at, can't do a damn thing?

Oh, I got that sticker 3 weeks after that.

[Big Pistons Forever]

TC is going to a 10 year validity period on new ADB's. The next time you renew you will get a ADB good for 10 years and there is still no charge.

[MrTurbine]

TC is going to a 10 year validity period on new ADB's. The next time you renew you will get a ADB good for 10 years and there is still no charge.

They did already, just did mine for 10

[North Shore]

Phew, one more booklet for the rest of my career!

[Beefitarian]

I renewed mine there In the summer. Yesterday I randomly got a new one with the extra five years added on. Very nice surprise.

[MrWings]

Sent my paperwork in Feb 1. Got my new 10 year ADB back on Feb 16. That includes mailing time. An incredible turn around considering only 12 working days in that period.

Great work Transport Canada! Whatever you are doing out of that Winnipeg office, keep it up!

[Kejidog]

Hey folks.

I am basically in limbo too. Mailed my completed ppl paperwork to TC in december. Still waiting and looking on their website. They supposedly have a Service Standard but it does not appear on their website as far as i can find anyways. Just a message that they have one. I have emailed several web addresses to no avail. Will my SPP with the endorsement be good to fly into the USA? I am dealing with the Atlantic office in moncton. They took longer than the full three months to process my aircraft registration as well so i have not much hope of them being quick. I am now concerned that they have either lost or forgot my paperwork.

[Kejidog]

I did a little research and this is what I found(worth exactly what you paid me for it ):

The published level of service standard for the issuance of an ATPL or CPL is 20 to 40 working days as per TP 14984. The fee for the issuance of a temp is in CAR 104.01 Schedule IV item 17 and is the Forty Dollar Fine to which you refer.(Bolding is for emphasis) As you requested the issuance of a temporary license you are obligated to pay the fee. Had you submitted your paperwork and TC was outside the level of service they published and you called and inquired about the delay I would think that TC would choose issue you a Temp license at that time so that you would not lose license privileges. Everyone should check their expiry dates and apply 90 days early to avoid having to request a temporary license! I found the relevant CAR and pasted it below along with a cut and paste from the schedule:

104.01 Subject to section 104.03, the charge imposed in respect of the issuance, renewal, amendment or endorsement or, in the case of a medical certificate, the processing, on or after January 1, 1998 of a document referred to in column I of an item of Schedules I to VII to this Subpart is the charge set out in column II of the item.

17. Issuance of a temporary licence, permit or medical certificate at the request of the applicant or holder 40

http://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/p ... nu-521.htm
http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/regu ... .html#h-36

Wow you must be a wizard. I looked all over for these links. Looks like a ppl is 40 days. I guess i will just wait then and see if i get an apology when it finally arrrives in the mail. It has been over 60 days for me.

[7ECA]

So what, they've got another 30 days to issue your booklet before your temporary licence expires.

Get used to it, they like to get as close to 90 days as they can.

[anofly]

OK i got a new booklet. I did a medical last year in 2016, it fails to mention that one, even though i did a medical then. It does however mention the one in 2015. Now what do i do ? carry 2? i have proof in my "old" document that I had a medical in 2016, harumph....

[Big Pistons Forever]

You can request a new medical sticker showing the most recent medical date. There is no charge

[7ECA]

You can request a new medical sticker showing the most recent medical date. There is no charge

Good luck with that...

I renewed my ADB, and TC Vancouver failed to apply my latest medical. Apparently the renewal application was processed just before my recent medical was. So, TC printed off a new booklet with an "expired" medical - making my CPL, well, a PPL...

Called TC, left a message. Got a call back a week later, told a sticker had been printed and should receive it in a week or less - and to call them back if I didn't get it.

A week goes by, and no sticker arrives. So, call TC again, and leave a message. Two weeks later I get a call, and am told that in no circumstances will TC print new medical certificate stickers for ADBs. I was told instead to go back to my CAME and get him to stamp the new booklet, or keep both my old and new ADB with me for the next year.

[Cat Driver]

TC excels at inefficiency and stupidity that makes one wonder where they find these morons.

Just imagine if private enterprise conducted their business like T.C. does!

We would end up living back in the stone age.

[Big Pistons Forever]

am told that in no circumstances will TC print new medical certificate stickers for ADBs

This is not correct. TC will provide a new medical sticker at no charge where a newly issued booklet does not have the latest medical at the time of issue.

For the Pacific Region the sticker can be requested by e-mailing TC at

tc.aviationservicespac-servicesaviationpac.tc@tc.gc.ca

[Broken Slinky]

First time I've had to "renew" my medical. The Dr. signed my booklet and said all's good. Is my aviation document booklet valid if my original medical expires before I get a shiny new sticker?

[complexintentions]

I'm pretty sure the stamp IS the renewal. You're good to go.

I had an ADB expiring in 2020. And then I received another one expiring in 2025. I haven't lived or worked in Canada for over ten years.

According to the nice TC lady on the phone, they sent out new ones because they have to pay the printer a set contract fee whether they print the booklets or not. So they print them.

Astounding efficiencies, as usual.

[Cat Driver]

Hey Complex if you want some entertainment show your T.C. booklet to a bureaucrat in one of the countries you fly to and watch their expression as they try and identify what you are showing them.