Kinda quiet in here...

corn-shoot · Post by **corn-shoot** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 7:05 am

Insulted, in a jetsgo forum...surely you jest.
And yes, anytime someone takes the time to write me, I feel validated; I get that all warm and fuzzy feeling inside.

zzjayca · Post by **zzjayca** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:38 am

It's the quality of posts, not the quantity, that in this medium, gives the readers an idea of the intelligence of the poster.

Corn-shoot, from your previous posts, my conclusion is you have quantity but not much quality.

BD, I am disappointed in your posts as of late. You used to be well written, informative, and very witty. Has someone hijacked your user name?

zzjayca · Post by **zzjayca** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 8:43 am

Canus Chinookus wrote:FFS PEOPLE!!! CLICK ONCE AND WAIT!

See how easy it is to get QUANTITY! North of You just jumped by four posts.

Canus Chinookus · Post by **Canus Chinookus** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 1:10 pm

bwahahaa!

North of You · Post by **North of You** » Wed Jan 26, 2005 2:48 pm

[/quote]FFS PEOPLE!!! CLICK ONCE AND WAIT!

Uggg.... computers. And my post count stayed at 13 after all that.
(Exit stage left as North of You searches for an axe to reprogram his computer)

peeelot · Post by **peeelot** » Fri Jan 28, 2005 8:19 pm

Hey we are all in the same boat are job as pilots are to make sure that are flights are conducted in a safe way it dosen't matter if it's a c150 or a md -83 we all have a very important roll. Boys we are all pilots we all have to write and fly the same tests so as far as I am concerned we should all just stop bashing each other and help each other out. I have learned that if you burn a bridge that person will end up as your capt one day.

bowrider · Post by **bowrider** » Sat Jan 29, 2005 12:02 am

At this point in aviation when a pilot, aspiring to the airline world, reaches the 4000 + hour mark he is faced with some hard decisions. There are only a handful of airlines in this country and of those hiring each one has its own pros and cons for the individual. For some, a 30,000 training bond is an acceptable con if it either takes the individual off the unemplyment line, or furthers them along from that point at which they are in their career. I'm not saying I like the idea of a bond at the airline level but it is going to be around for a while so accept it. If you choose not to pay the bond.....fine. However, for those who are willing to pay it, enjoy your two years. I'm sure the time will fly by. If, in the worst case scenario, after the two years is up and the company goes tits up, you're a lot better off applying to AC with 2 years of jet time than 2000 more hours of turboprop time.
It is clear to us that BirdDog is in a postion where he cannot or does not wish to further his career. I know the word further may come under scrutiny but I doubt he got into this industry without the aspiations of the airline world. So a little more thought should be put into how significant a training bond is to people before you join BirdDog's crusade, for you may find that your army is few and your leader himself is one that once gladly accepted an offer of emplyment.......... WITH A TRAINING BOND!!!!!!!!

... · Post by **...** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 6:19 am

bowrider wrote: It is clear to us that BirdDog is in a postion where he cannot or does not wish to further his career. I know the word further may come under scrutiny but I doubt he got into this industry without the aspiations of the airline world. So a little more thought should be put into how significant a training bond is to people before you join BirdDog's crusade, for you may find that your army is few and your leader himself is one that once gladly accepted an offer of emplyment.......... WITH A TRAINING BOND!!!!!!!!

Thank you for the post 'Bo'.

What child does not wish one day to drive the big iron to exotic locations all over the world. I love that movie 'Catch me if you can'. Unfortuantely those days in aviation are gone.

We all have different paths in the industry...there is no one clear distinctive path we all follow...I have managed to have found a place in the industry that allows me to conduct some really fun flying all the while run my online biz where I could enjoy the best of both worlds. Again we all have different paths.

I find it hard to stomach when I hear young pilots are paying 10K for a C182 RG check out for forest fire patrol....there are 2 companies that do that in Quebec and one of them takes it a step further...they double their 'income' on training pilots because 1/2 way through the season they bring in the second batch of pilots and the first batch go home...It sickens me...as I am sure it shockes you.

Are we not done with paying to fly?

Why won't employers bond together and NOT hire people that are not finished their contract with other companies?

Why do pilots jump ship before concluding their agreements? At least they should pay out the remainder of the contract if they wish to move on.

Yes I did pay for training at one time...I didn't like it.... I don't see it comparable a high profile company that operates a sked service to all the major airports in Canada. 30K in a high profile company...when are you done with paying to work?

As for me being a leader in the good fight...

I am honoured you follow my posts like a young school girl in love with the capatain of the football team. I guess you know who I am. Everyone wants to say they know a (cyber) celebrity..

But if Bill Clinton said he did smoke pot, but never inhaled, and still because one of the greatest leaders in the history of the US of A...then I am proud to say that yes, at one time my shit did stink...HOWEVER LET ME TRY TO MAKE A DIFFERENCE FOR ALL THE YOUNG AND UP COMING KIDS AND BRING BACK SOME DIGNITY TO THIS INDUSTRY...even if it's just for a few individuals...

Thanks for reading.

Trickkles · Post by **Trickkles** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 10:20 am

Are we not done with paying to fly?

Why won't employers bond together and NOT hire people that are not finished their contract with other companies?

Why do pilots jump ship before concluding their agreements? At least they should pay out the remainder of the contract if they wish to move on.

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For once I agree with Birddog.

I have seen too many AC pilots that do their sim training, line indoc. and then turn around the next month jump to the competition and vice versa. I feel these pilots make it worse for the whole industry.

They should be obligated to pay for their training either by a training bond eg. Jetsgo or by being under contract for two years.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:01 pm

BD! We have our differences, I know that. You also know I fly for Jetsgo.
I agree withthe bulk of your last post, you actually posted something meaningfull and did it without directly attacking SG!. I'll say it for the umpteenth time: I'd love to see the bond go.

Trickles has probably hit the nail on the head. One of the main reasons for the bond was more than likely to pick up laid off or unemployed jet experienced guy's without the financial risk.

And by the way BD! Just had beer's with my good friend from WJ and we both worked for H&L back in the day. But that probably won't help eh?
I guess being an SG employee automatically makes me an a$$hole!
Did I hear profiling.......?

... · Post by **...** » Sat Feb 12, 2005 8:10 pm

Rubberbiscuit wrote:
And by the way BD! Just had beer's with my good friend from WJ and we both worked for H&L back in the day. But that probably won't help eh?
I guess being an SG employee automatically makes me an a$$hole!
Did I hear profiling.......?

stop by YHD this summer and we'll go for beers...

now...get outta here you...you're making me look soft

Propellerhead · Post by **Propellerhead** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 2:34 pm

Pay-For-Training:
Should You Pay To Play?

Reprinted for the Airline Pilot Job Monthly, Oct 95

http://www.jet-jobs.com/articles/payartl.html

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:56 pm

Hey man! Maybe we can be eachothers valentines??

Tango01 · Post by **Tango01** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 7:59 pm

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:00 pm

And yes BD! That was for you in case you had doubts!

I am going to YXL / YHD to fish/ drink beer/ and golf (not nessecarily in that order) I will most definitely swing by the shack if I'm in town.

Rubberbiscuit · Post by **Rubberbiscuit** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:10 pm

I'm sorry BD!

My wife now tells me I'm not allowed!

On a more serious note. I wonder what it would take to pursuade the Government (if we really have one) into putting a stop to training bonds?

bandaid · Post by **bandaid** » Sun Feb 13, 2005 8:42 pm

It's called lobbying. In politics if enough people lobby enough politicians on a united front about almost any issue (ie: same sex marriage

) They can actually effect change. Trouble is you would probably be lobbying against some fairly big campaign contributers.

... · Post by **...** » Mon Feb 14, 2005 5:53 am

bandaid wrote:It's called lobbying. In politics if enough people lobby enough politicians on a united front about almost any issue (ie: same sex marriage ) They can actually effect change. Trouble is you would probably be lobbying against some fairly big campaign contributers.

Rubberbiscuit:

Your wife won't let you come to YHD...or be my Valentine? Which is it?

Mr. Bandaid is onto the general idea and getting very warm with why JetsGo is allowed to operate the way they do...why Mr. Leblanc has avoided and by passed many loop holes.
However...this is where I stop...I speak no further. The Government is placed in power to serve the citizens of the country/provinces/municipalities...it makes me sick what goes on behind closed doors.

The end.

Happy V-Day...hug your loved ones!