Ramp position with 1500 hours?

[Blueontop]

A pilot only short of ATPL by a few hours of instrument time is seeking FO positions on any single or multi turbine or even muti piston operations and has received several ramp offers. It boggles the mind that operators would believe any one with those qualifications would even consider especially if said pilot is actively employed and flying. Is this normal?

[fish4life]

Try apply to companies that don't have ramp programs, if they have rampies waiting unless they really need quick upgrade guys they don't care how many hours guys are applying with

[eggy]

I would think with close to 1500 hrs and ATPLs written you would have a few doors open, and none of which should be a ramp job.

[Illya Kuryakin]

Try apply to companies that don't have ramp programs, if they have rampies waiting unless they really need quick upgrade guys they don't care how many hours guys are applying with

Ah yes, ramp programs. The maggots of the industry, ready to gnaw on the decaying flesh of pilots too stupid to avoid them.
Illya

[AirMail]

Maybe those companies are doing him/her a favour by offering a ramp job that pays more than an FO at said company

[esp803]

I doubt this is the case, but if some offered me 2x the pay for 1/2 the working days to drive the forklift at work instead of flying an airplane, I'd be all over it like a fat man on a twinky.

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[jpilot77]

Not that it matters but the current flying job is it instructing? No way at that time would you leave a flying job to work the ramp.

[AWOS]

I doubt this is the case, but if some offered me 2x the pay for 1/2 the working days to drive the forklift at work instead of flying an airplane, I'd be all over it like a fat man on a twinky.

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I got paid more to work in the office. Man, Chisel Air is looking better and better each day actually.

[Blueontop]

Not that it matters but the current flying job is it instructing? No way at that time would you leave a flying job to work the ramp.

Yes, that was my sentiments exactly.

[iSight]

I was in exactly your situation at the beginning of this year (but sitting at about 1200-ish hours). I had been applying to many companies but was starting to think that the ground option was my only option. It didn't make sense to me that someone with flying experience would be put on the ground. One company even gave me an offer to work one ground position for a minimum of 12 months that would lead into another ground position if my performance was satisfactory. After a further 6-8 months of that position the sky's the limit! Maybe even warehouse leader!
I politely declined and a couple months later I found myself working for a company that pays well, treats me well, and that has room for advancement outside of the warehouse.

Try apply to companies that don't have ramp programs, if they have rampies waiting unless they really need quick upgrade guys they don't care how many hours guys are applying with

I found this to be the case as well.

Keep flying and keep applying.

[stef]

Did you see the Wasaya ads? Might not be long term but I don't think there's a bond on PC12 fo positions at least.

Read up on their financial issues before you go so you know what you're getting yourself into.

[lownslow]

Perhaps in this case the problem lies with the individual and not the state of the industry. Does their reputation precede them?

[duramaxguy]

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[Diadem]

It's one thing if you're trying to get on with a specific company, but leaving a flying job for dispatch to get ahead doesn't make much sense. There are plenty of King Air operators who put guys in the left seat with 2000 hours, even without time on type, and I suspect you could have had a pretty good chance with one with 2000 hours and a bunch of turbine PIC; if you weren't choosy about which company in particular you went to, you could have kept flying for those seven months, got the extra 600 hours, and gone left seat in a BE20. The difference is that you would have been 600 hours further ahead. Now, I'm not saying that you made the wrong decision, only that not everyone is willing to make sacrifices to get on with a particular company, and in most cases it's better to get more hours.
As for the OP, beggars can't be choosers, and if the pilot in discussion is at a dead end, then working the ramp might be his/her only choice. If absolutely no one will hire them for any job and they aren't getting any hours doing what they're doing, then they might have to suck it up and take the job. If it's that or find a new profession, then they aren't really in a position to get picky. If, however, there are other opportunities available or they're still building time, then I don't see any reason to take a ground job; the only time to ever do that is when there's no other option to get your career going.

[DanWEC]

Correct if I'm wrong please, but I thought that Wasaya takes their FO's from ramp, as far as I know they post the ads as a formality, but intending to be filled internally.

Do they hire outside FO's?

Merry Christmas!
Dan

[Sky_Conqueror]

F**K this industry sux...Even 1500TT guys having issues getting jobs?? What a bad idea it was to join aviation in this country

[andy_mtl]

1500 will most likely get you a job , provided the job is there to be filled.

Winter maybe isn't the best season for a job hunt.

You can get a job flying at 220 hours TT and get paid for it.

You can get a 703 job at 1200 hours TT and not have to pay for training and still get paid for flying.

You can get all of the above ... Without knowing anyone to push you in.


Takes time, effort and of course you must be at the right place at the right time.

Andy

[AirMail]

What a bad idea it was to join aviation in this country

Probably the truest thing written on this forum

[esp803]

F**K this industry sux...Even 1500TT guys having issues getting jobs?? What a bad idea it was to join aviation in this country

"1500tt You think you've arrived, don't you? Hate to break it to you, but you're only in the first room. It's not nothing, don't get me wrong, but it's not that great either. There are plenty of people in this town who have made it to the first room and didn't get any further. In about a year, maybe longer, you'll discover a secret doorway at the back of the first room that leads to the second. And in time, if you're lucky, you'll discover another doorway in the back of the second room that leads to the third. There are seven rooms altogether. You're in the first. "

[AllClutch]

I had a friend in this situation. We were all instructing together and fed up with it so he took a ramp job in the North with about 1500 hours, we all called him stupid and said he was making a mistake but 6 months later he was in a King Air and we were all still flogging a 152 and 6 month after that he was Captain and making 80k and we were just getting out of instructing. I still think he's the farthest ahead in his career than all of us making the most money at least.
Sometimes you have to take a step back to move forward. Apply to companies that don't have really well established ramp programs like Perimeter and CMA where their hands are tied by the senoirity system.

[Illya Kuryakin]

If you have 1500 TT, and you're even LOOKING at ramp jobs....go flip burgers. Loser.
Illya

[Cat Driver]

There are seven rooms altogether.There are seven rooms altogether.

Which is the best room?

[Illya Kuryakin]

There are seven rooms altogether.There are seven rooms altogether.

Which is the best room?

Obviously, the room with the best view.
Illya

[Rudder Bug]

There are seven rooms altogether.There are seven rooms altogether.

Which is the best room?

Obviously, the room with the best view.
Illya

That's the one everybody should want!

Happy new year my friends!

RB

[esp803]

One word for all of you:

Discotheque

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