Hi,

already a few years since I started my career and i'm starting wondering which one of those 2 airlines is the best for a new hire. The first things that matters for me is schedule.

So,
-how many days off per month can you expect in both places? After 10 years what it looks like?
-is it possible to commute with AT (I actualy live in a city desserved by Jazz, 1hr from YUL)?
-how many chances to be affected on long-haul flights with AC?
-pay around 38k first year AC (rouge same thing?), 50k AT is it right? Per diems?
-how many time from the start to upgrade in average? I guess at least 10 years!
-when you travel on your own, what is the discount?

Every coments welcome.

thanx

Do you mean to go to Jazz now and work your way up to AC? Otherwise the chance to be hired at AC are non-existent right now, and after another 7ish years, very minimal.

Lots of commuters at Transat, Jumpseat agreements with pretty much everyone.
You have a much better chance at a job there than AC if you're not already at Jazz...

No, I mean direct entry to AC (or rouge), not interested at all in Jazz, i'd rather keep my actual job than going there.

I mean, in the hypothetic case i'm hired in both places, which one is the best.

AC is better, but if you haven't been following what has been going on with the Jazz/AC agreement, then you should have a look because, there is almost 0 chance of getting hired off the street to AC right now, until all the poolies are gone, then after that only 20% of AC new hires will be from non-Jazz sources.

I thought the flow through was 80% jazz and 20% off the street

Krimson wrote:AC is better, but if you haven't been following what has been going on with the Jazz/AC agreement, then you should have a look because, there is almost 0 chance of getting hired off the street to AC right now, until all the poolies are gone, then after that only 20% of AC new hires will be from non-Jazz sources.

bruced007 wrote:I thought the flow through was 80% jazz and 20% off the street

Krimson wrote:AC is better, but if you haven't been following what has been going on with the Jazz/AC agreement, then you should have a look because, there is almost 0 chance of getting hired off the street to AC right now, until all the poolies are gone, then after that only 20% of AC new hires will be from non-Jazz sources.

It'll be a while before anyone else gets an interview given that they already have a pool.

bruced007 wrote:I thought the flow through was 80% jazz and 20% off the street

Krimson wrote:AC is better, but if you haven't been following what has been going on with the Jazz/AC agreement, then you should have a look because, there is almost 0 chance of getting hired off the street to AC right now, until all the poolies are gone, then after that only 20% of AC new hires will be from non-Jazz sources.

Yes, that is what I said.

No external interviews for the next couple of years, and then after that it is a slim chance. To the OP, if you are not considering Jazz, then you only have one option left of the two.

Which means it's a 100% flow through from jazz before they start calling people from OTS
Good luck to all. Yeah but AT would be a quicker upgrade I think

Heisenberg666 wrote:

bruced007 wrote:I thought the flow through was 80% jazz and 20% off the street

Krimson wrote:AC is better, but if you haven't been following what has been going on with the Jazz/AC agreement, then you should have a look because, there is almost 0 chance of getting hired off the street to AC right now, until all the poolies are gone, then after that only 20% of AC new hires will be from non-Jazz sources.

It'll be a while before anyone else gets an interview given that they already have a pool.

Definitely AC if you don't speak french

Upgrade timeline at AT?

av8ts wrote:Definitely AC if you don't speak french

There are quite a lot of pilots at AT that do not speak french.

av8ts wrote:Definitely AC if you don't speak french

While it helps, it's not mandatory.

Pilots leave TS for AC/rouge, not the other way around.

Regardless of everything, both are excellent gigs and career companies. The real question lies in which one will hire you first and will yield the best lifestyle in the long term. If someone can answer the OP's questions in detail it'd be much appreciated.

garfield wrote:
So,
-how many days off per month can you expect in both places? After 10 years what it looks like?
-is it possible to commute with AT (I actualy live in a city desserved by Jazz, 1hr from YUL)?
-how many chances to be affected on long-haul flights with AC?
-pay around 38k first year AC (rouge same thing?), 50k AT is it right? Per diems?
-how many time from the start to upgrade in average? I guess at least 10 years!
-when you travel on your own, what is the discount?

Every coments welcome.

thanx

how many days off per month can you expect in both places? After 10 years what it looks like?

It will depend on the type you're flying. At Transat on the b737 you can expect to work 8-9 days per month during the busy season. Less in the fall and spring. On the A330, in the summer (busy season), you usually get 16-17 days at home.

Upgrade timeline at AT?

It's currently at the 4.5 year mark for the ones who got hired at the very beginning of 2011 (hiring wave). Those are temporary b737 or A310 captain spots that will quickly become permanent positions.

T.

Like most of us, pick the one that calls first... Both are great Gigs, I landed at TS (My French is basic and there are plenty of anglos on the property despite what some say here). Its a great place to be. Many of my friends at AC are similarly happy with their jobs as well....

Cheers

termerair wrote: Those are temporary b737 or A310 captain spots.

What is a temporary captain spot?

rudder wrote:

termerair wrote: Those are temporary b737 or A310 captain spots.

What is a temporary captain spot?

One that is available for under six months to replace someone on sick leave, on paternity leave etc. If you hold it for six months, it becomes permanent........

777LR wrote:Pilots leave TS for AC/rouge, not the other way around.

Never happens the other way around. Never.

To the OP:

AC/Splooge is undoubtedly the more stable option long-term, but it is no longer what it once was. I foresee more and more contract concessions (read eating your young) over the next couple of decades to try to preserve DB pension obligations that are ultimately untenable. Coupling that with the inevitable increased and sustained transfer of domestic and short- to medium-haul capacity over to the Splooge operation ensures that making it onto the receiving end of the AC mainline contract will become more and more difficult to achieve. But don't worry; you'll get long-haul eventually...

All that aside: which company is the better place for you, personally, to work at is subjective. Pros and Cons with either. But to be obvious: You should not look here to help make your decision. If you are at the point in your career that you are eligible for either, then I would hope that you also have friends at one or both of AC or TS. Listen to them, not to avcanada.

Curious that you're not including Team Squeal or Scumwing in your choices...

Takeoff OK wrote:

777LR wrote:Pilots leave TS for AC/rouge, not the other way around.

Never happens the other way around. Never.

It's extremely rare to go from AC to TS.
The 737 pay scale is pretty low in my opinion. I do hope you guys get a better contract soon!

Working atmosphere is excellent at AT from what I heard, people are really friendly and kind. AC is more like a big factory with great wawcons. For those who care to have fun when they work.

It will depend on the type you're flying. At Transat on the b737 you can expect to work 8-9 days per month during the busy season. Less in the fall and spring. On the A330, in the summer (busy season), you usually get 16-17 days at home.

Is it with days on call? I'm talking about days OFF, where you can commute back home.

That's why i'm looking for those 2 companies, they're operating on medium-long haul flights and that means for me more days home per month. In my actual gig i'm flying around 6 days per month and about 600 hours/year.

When on reserve at TSC you are guaranteed 12 days off a month. When holding a block it is 11 days off a month. That being said you can expect to have a few more than that depending on machine and season.

Under current contract you can only do one month of reserve then a month of flying so no spending years on reserve.

If you are on the wide body fleet at TSC, you can count on layovers throughout Europe your first summer on the machine.