I am a newly licensed pilot 200 TT CPL/MIFR. I have an interview with Perimiter in Winnipeg in a few weeks. Just wondering what the current ramp wait time is looking like.

Thanks !

Enter Illya

It's Perimeter

Friend of mine went there Sept of 2013. By August 2014 he was right seat on the Metro. He said it fluctuates a bit but more or less a year.

Like most ramp jobs, ramp wait time is 1 year - give or take a year. Some go quicker some go slower, some times things bog down and even the most talented pilot has +2 years to wait.

Thanks for the replies! I am just wondering if I would need 250 TT and the IATRA in order to eventually be considered for a flying spot?

Yes, you need 250hrs to write the IATRA and you need the iatra to fly right seat in a multi crew aircraft

Good luck!

PR

PositiveRate27 wrote:Yes, you need 250hrs to write the IATRA and you need the iatra to fly right seat in a multi crew aircraft

Good luck!

PR

The Metro II and Metro III are certified single pilot aircraft, therefore no IATRA required for right seat at Perimeter

bearitus wrote:Thanks for the replies! I am just wondering if I would need 250 TT and the IATRA in order to eventually be considered for a flying spot?

no you do not, unless you want to try and get in the dash 8

powerbrian wrote:Enter Illya

What? Me? Nah, this is just too dumb for words. But, thanks for thinking of me.
Illya

Generally around a year. I know some guys who did it and less and some who are still waiting (after several years). You get what you put into it.

Changes in Latitudes wrote:The only time a PILOT should be waiting on the ramp
is in the event that another aircraft is TAXIING IN.

How about boarding?

I'd like to see pilots in the cockpit while boarding, but hey, your SOP may vary.

I completely agree with you guys that pilots should be flying. It just seems that there aren't many options for a new pilot like myself to land a direct entry flying job except for spending upwards of 10K of my hard earned money on an instructor rating with no guarantee of an instructing job afterwards.

I said the exact same thing a good 15+ years ago, but then I got some solid advice from a few folks with some age on me. I dug a little deeper, turned over a few stones, knocked on a few doors and voila, no ramp. It should come as no surprise; odds are, your first job won't be advertised or handed to you from this website.

To be fair at least at perimeter the ramp pay is pretty decent and the same as the non pilots working it beside you.

So, if the Metros are single pilot and you don't even need the IATRA, how long do you have to sit there before you can log something? You can't expect an operator to give you any credit for riding in the right seat? Swamping? Maybe you could keep track of the time as a flight attendant?

What am I missing here?

Edited to add: do you even get paid to do that or are you doing it for fun?

xsbank wrote:So, if the Metros are single pilot and you don't even need the IATRA, how long do you have to sit there before you can log something? You can't expect an operator to give you any credit for riding in the right seat? Swamping? Maybe you could keep track of the time as a flight attendant?

What am I missing here?

Edited to add: do you even get paid to do that or are you doing it for fun?

If they choose to operate it multicrew (with SOPs and all), then you can log it as copilot , no ?

It's the reason we don't hire newbie pilots for non-flying jobs anymore. We also don't hire them for flying jobs. We hire experienced pilots to fly and less whiny, harder working, more qualified people who are not pilots, on the ramp. Having fewer pilots around is always better. You won't find a more useless bunch of mama's boy, in any other industry.

So do they operated with sops etc? You still need to fly something to get enough hours to write the IATRA because you can't get them in the Metro?!

Think about it you guys, right seat of an airplane you can't log?

Changes in Latitudes wrote:I'd like to see pilots in the cockpit while boarding, but hey, your SOP may vary.

haha

Btw I am in complete agreement with your sentiments.

xsbank wrote:So do they operated with sops etc? You still need to fly something to get enough hours to write the IATRA because you can't get them in the Metro?!

Think about it you guys, right seat of an airplane you can't log?

If the operator operates the Metro (which they do) with two crew and with SOPs as approved by their COM, the F.O can count the Cojo time, and get that mystical, hard to obtain ATPL never having even seen the "stop and feather" from the left hand side. A metro isn't really a bird you'd just throw someone into and say go forth either. In my opinion guys will learn more, and have more of a time initially in a Metro compared to a King Air, which is also a single pilot aircraft.

Word of mouth has wait times varying quite a bit, basically douche vs non-douche rampy hierarchy seems to be in affect.

phillyfan wrote:It's the reason we don't hire newbie pilots for non-flying jobs anymore. We also don't hire them for flying jobs. We hire experienced pilots to fly and less whiny, harder working, more qualified people who are not pilots, on the ramp. Having fewer pilots around is always better. You won't find a more useless bunch of mama's boy, in any other industry.

Huge +1!

Pilots are great at flying.

Non pilots are great at not flying!

But what do we do with the overwhelming supply of fresh CPL's each year? Hire them for right seat jobs, give them a number and have them work at places like Canadian Tire while they wait? Or give them a job at the company they will eventually fly for.

Xbank you have no idea what you are talking about. If you can't log right seat in a machine that only legally requires one pilot then there's not really a northern operator or 704 turbo prop operator for that matter that would need co pilots. Obviously there are exceptions but the metros, 1900's, king airs all only require one. the contracts require two pilots for a reason though, thus the co jos are needed and they obviously log the time.

According to your logic there isn't really a medivac job in canada that needs a cojo minus the citations and 350's. I guess all new low time guys should start direct left seat of a king air or right seat in a dash, but I'm sure some will advocate instructing as well..