US Instrument Hours for use in CPL license

[Icepyropilot]

I recently did a Instrument rating in Florida and am a citizen of Canada residing in Ontario. I was recently told by a Transport Canada
Employee in Hamilton that my instrument hours gained in the states do not qualify for hours against my CPL rating. I've read through the CARS training section and have not identified any details regarding this. Does anyone have any knowledge or experience with regards to this or any opinions to offer ? Thanks in advance !

[photofly]

I recently did a Instrument rating in Florida and am a citizen of Canada residing in Ontario. I was recently told by a Transport Canada
Employee in Hamilton that my instrument hours gained in the states do not qualify for hours against my CPL rating.

If that's the official word, that's the only opinion that counts.

[DanWEC]

A pilot I know went through the same thing. I don't know why specifically, but he had to re-do a number of hood hours in Canada.
When you get the official response via email from someone in Licensing you should post here as to what their justification is, I'm curious.

[nbinont]

It seems to me that at least some of the hours should be recognized, but I'm not TC!

However you could convert your FAA IR to a TC IFR rating (write the FAAIA - similar to the INRAT, then do a ride.) Your US experience is then recognized.

Then, since you have a TC IFR rating, you are considered to have met the instrument hours requirement for the CPL, and therefore you don't need additional hood time.

[trey kule]

Well, first the bad news. the FAA and TC have different regulations when it comes to allowing for logging time.
In the US, you can do an IFR crosscountry and log it as PIC....with an instructor on board! And the instructor is also logging it as PIC. You can also put a hood on and blast off with a safety pilot, and again, both of you can log it as PIC.
TC has really no way of knowing if your time was dual or solo or whether you really were PIC.

Now the good news. I think you need to talk to someone at TC about simply how to get your FAA IF rating on your Canadian license. That might just mean a written and a couple hours to prepeare for a flight check. The FAA accepts the Canadian I rating when doing license conversions, and I suspect that maybe Canada accepts the US one as well, subject to the written and flight check.

As far as dealing with TC. Always do it in writing. Do not suggest what you think should be able to do as some posters here alluded to. Advise them of what you have in terms of an FAA rating, and what you want to get in Canada, and ask them how to accomplish it. they are pretty good about this sort of thing, even if it is really not in their mandate to provide you with advice. It is a good idea to be very familiar with the appropriate CARS, however before you quote or refer to a specific one, have a knowledgable friend confirm your interpretation of it...Rose coloured glasses sometimes blur the meaning.

Best of luck...

[Kaptene]

I have a similar situation but was told differently...I was told by TC that I just need to pass an exam with an instructor...and another written exam related to air regulations...best to do is to take your logbook to TC with you and show them every hour you have...not only chat

[awitzke]

Quite certain that is only if you hold the full faa ifr rating. Not just flight hours. Did you do the ride down there?

[praveen4143]

I have a student in a similar situation right now... Transport Canada's reasoning is that the CAR for training requirements for a CPL states that you need 65 hours of training under supervision of the holder of a flight instructor rating and this includes the 20 hours of hood time required for the CPL. Transport Canada interprets holder of a flight instructor rating as one with a Canadian flight instructor rating! So unless your flight instructor in the states has a Canadian flight instructor rating, they won't buy it.. This is their official word as received via email to my student!

[tuqi]

"...instrument hours gained in the [US] do not qualify for hours against [a] CPL rating."

The Canadian regulations and standards place a slightly greater emphasis on instrument training required for a CPL than an IR.

The IR training requirement is relaxed insomuch as candidates require only a minimum of 5 hours' flight training with an FI compared to a minimum of 20 hours (incl. min. 10 flight hours) for the CPL.

All IR training can be delivered by a foreign 'instructor' qualified i.a.w. 425.21(9) so that the only safeguard against granting a TC IR to an incompetent person lies in the recommendations and tests alone, for two reasons:

1. there is no (explicit) requirement for that foreign instructor's qualifications be ICAO compliant, and,

2. there is no provision made in respect of the IR experience requirement comparable to 421.30(7) for the CPL which bars the crediting of the 20 hours' instrument time to a candidate whose IR has lapsed by more than 24 months.

That means the instrument experience for the IR could have been obtained 20 years ago in Somalia from some bloke moonlighting as an 'instructor.'

The obvious solution is to first obtain the TC IR as proposed by trey kule. The IR experience crediting does not require the candidate to hold, or to have ever held, a foreign IR.

[photofly]

That means the instrument experience for the IR could have been obtained 20 years ago in Somalia from some bloke moonlighting as an 'instructor.'

You've met Abdi, then?