Buffalo Joe temporary shut down?

[The5chord]

It seems Buffalo got shut down for period of time. Is Summit doing all of their scheds and cargo runs now?

[flyinhigh]

I really hope you have some form of reference to back that up.

Sorry if it sounds crusty, but those kind of rumors spread like wild fire on here. Therefore some form of reference should be added to back it up.

[JL]

Flightaware not yet showing any BFL flights today.

[Kzanol]

New exhibits coming to aviation museums near you!

[GARRETT]

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=1022829&tp=1

[tipsails]

It's too bad all those rampies with university degrees are out of work now..

[Illya Kuryakin]

Kind of had to happen. Eventually. It's 2015! Time to park the round engines and move out of the Stone Age! I enjoyed DC3s and the like ( you do know you can buy RB67s, right? ) but their time has come.
Illya

[digits_]

http://news.gc.ca/web/article-en.do?nid=1022829&tp=1

Looks like they took this action in the interest of public safety.

[eastpilot]

Looks like TC has grown a pair!
Wonder if those inspectors plan on looking into the eastern region?
Especially in light of the Air Asia results!
Multiple recurrences of failures.....
Some LEVAS by's know what it's all about!

[grassroots]

“All of this has happened before, and it will all happen again.”

[Redneck_pilot86]

Is this in response to their latest accident in Deline, or something else?

[complexintentions]

Kind of had to happen. Eventually. It's 2015! Time to park the round engines and move out of the Stone Age! I enjoyed DC3s and the like ( you do know you can buy RB67s, right? ) but their time has come.
Illya

Round engines will no longer be flown when they are no longer economically viable.

A poor safety record could be found in many Canadian operators with all types of a/c.

Hence, drawing a straight line between Buffalo's fleet and their suspension seems pretty stupid. I highly doubt their OC was pulled because they fly DC-3's.

[Redneck_pilot86]

There is no need to operate 705 category airplanes that can't maintain on 1 engine.

[snoopy]

@complexintentions..... exactly.

[pelmet]

Are they still making the TV show. This could be an interesting episode or three.

[niss]

Are they still making the TV show. This could be an interesting episode or three.

Nope, it's since shut down.

[godsrcrazy]

There is no need to operate 705 category airplanes that can't maintain on 1 engine.

They are totally capable of single engine flight. Load may have been a factor. Our the prop not feathering may have been a factor. There are turbines out there that will not fly on one if the prop doesn't feather properly.

[ZBBYLW]

My question is whether a piston DC 3 cam maintain single engine at MTOW given standard weather... if so it's not really the airplanes fault is it?

With that being said that's a bit of a tread drift. Interested to know what happened.

[jspitfire]

My question is whether a piston DC 3 cam maintain single engine at MTOW given standard weather... if so it's not really the airplanes fault is it?

With that being said that's a bit of a tread drift. Interested to know what happened.

I believe single engine performance was discussed at great length in both the thread for the DC3 crash in YZF and the C46 crash in Deline.

Enforcement posts more specifics on violations on their site, hopefully when they post the November summary there will be more details on Buffalo.

https://www.tc.gc.ca/eng/civilaviation/ ... nu-680.htm

[Meatservo]

I hope the guys whose jobs have been affected can be looked after until this is cleared up, or they are successful in finding alternate means to feed their families. It's getting cold up there and heat and electricity are expensive.

[Hornblower]

wow, you can hear a pin drop on this. I was thinking there would be a lot more said on this significant "safety action" by TC. This is a well known company that serves a rather large area of northern Canada with some relatively large cargo hauling aircraft. Is there going to be no hardship in the Northwest due to the loss of capability, who will pick up the slack especiallly into those smaller strips that FAB can't go to? Are there enough -6s to do the work, at what cost to the communities? It would be interesting to hear the perspective of some involved, as well as other locals.

[jspitfire]

wow, you can hear a pin drop on this. I was thinking there would be a lot more said on this significant "safety action" by TC. This is a well known company that serves a rather large area of northern Canada with some relatively large cargo hauling aircraft. Is there going to be no hardship in the Northwest due to the loss of capability, who will pick up the slack especiallly into those smaller strips that FAB can't go to? Are there enough -6s to do the work, at what cost to the communities? It would be interesting to hear the perspective of some involved, as well as other locals.

Not too complicated really. I've seen companies voluntarily ground one type in their fleet after an accident, and they simply charter out the flights to another airline. Buffalo likely isn't throwing in the towel on their contracts yet, so I'm sure they simply call up Summit or Tindi and charter them to do their flights. (Neither show up on Flightaware, so hard to say which one.) First Air follows the -3 back and forth to YHY all the time anyways, so pax arent as much of an issue compared to their cargo contracts. Buffalo will bleed $ till they get things together, and whoever does their flights will make a bit extra. Should be really no difference in cost or service for locals for the short term.

[phillyfan]

Hated the show, but I did see an episode where the whole staff was spouting off about the guys at TC, being a bunch of morons. The one that really stood out was the douche bag Chief Pilot who had never flown anywhere but Buffalo sounding like a Joe parrot. The company culture was broken and filling the Chief Pilot role with a "Yes Man" ensured it would remain broken. I feel bad for the guys who are out of work. Tough time of year to be looking for work. It will be very difficult for them to get the OC back. TC gives you plenty of warnings. If you get to this stage you are totally broken.

[CFR]

From their Twitter feed

"Buffalo Airways would like to thank all of it's customers and passengers for their continued support during this unfortunate time. Buffalo Airways will continue to support all of our customers travel and freight needs though chartered aircraft until such time Buffalo Airways has resolved this issue with Transport Canada."

[springlocked]

Just because they are "shut down" does not mean they can't "operate". They simply need to find someone to come it and fly the routes for them until such time they either fix it or walk away. This should give them enough revenue coming in to keep people working while they clean house. Except for a couple all the captains are contract. Roast away but I for one would like to see them come out the other side of this a better operation. Shock treatment seems to be one of the only ways to change and purge the "old" ways.