Medevacs...with a Jetstream?

[co-joe]

OK I've read it 5 times, rubbed my eyes, re-read it 5 more times... I guess my question is...Why?

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[Sky_Conqueror]

Simple to explain. As we all know...Alberta's economy went to shits recently. They decided to transform their Jetstreams for Medevac operations. Bigger space and more comfortable than the BE200. Pascan Aviation out of St. Hubert near Montreal used to do it to on occasions.

[single_swine_herder]

The issue may well be for the transfer of bariatric patients.

Many of these people simply can't fit into the Beech 200 class of aircraft. Therefore, a larger aircraft is required to extend healthcare to these citizens.

They have road ambulances similarly equipped.

[Darkwing Duck]

The issue may well be for the transfer of bariatric patients.

Many of these people simply can't fit into the Beech 200 class of aircraft. Therefore, a larger aircraft is required to extend healthcare to these citizens.

They have road ambulances similarly equipped.

Can't see this to be the reason. Isn't the door into the JS a bit higher than the KA? The medical team would have to lift the patient higher to get into the door. That is a lot of lifting. Plus would not the door of a 200 and a 31 be about the same width? Plus if anyone is getting bariatric surgery would they not have to arrange transport to the hospital themselves. This is not an emergency situation. My guess is they are just trying to utilize what they have in the fleet for a contract they just won. That is all. Make hay when the sun shines.

[awitzke]

Well they use metros for medi so the height I can't really see being an issue?

[SuperchargedRS]

PC12 seem to work rather well unless you need really long legs.

[single_swine_herder]

Automated loading system .... you don't lift a 450+ pounder into those aircraft.

[SuperchargedRS]

Wanna bet, it ain't pleasent but you're girth limited before weight in the PC12. Besides if you cant physically lift your pt with the man power you have on the ground, you shouldn't be loading them.

[fish4life]

Metro's are high but they also use a winch to pull up a "sled" with the stretcher on it.

[co-joe]

It's just weird because the AB health medevac contract used to be worded so that you had to have a 200. Borek walked away from the contract in YYC rather than buy a 200 (they were using a 100). I can't see how AB health would pay more for a J31, but hey if it looks stupid and it works I guess it's not stupid.

[ditar]

Apparently it was a typo. Probably a cut-and-paste oversight. No medevac involved.

[Bruce Dickenson]

Apparently it was a typo. Probably a cut-and-paste oversight. No medevac involved.

I guess you can't expect much else from a The Scum Bag that runs this place now

[Pratt X 3]

Wow, do I feel old. You guys seemed shocked that someone would use a Jetstream for medevacs. But not that long ago, a company based in YYZ called Samaritan used them for that very purpose. When they went out of business, a company called Paladin aka Advanced Air Ambulance used a couple of the same Jetstreams out of YTZ. I guess it has been more than 10 years since they've been around. I am getting old. Now get off my lawn!

[WASIE]

Apparently it was a typo. Probably a cut-and-paste oversight. No medevac involved.

I guess you can't expect much else from a The Scum Bag that runs this place now

[co-joe]

I thought Paladin flew the Rice Rocket?

[bobm]

Paladin had a J31. Tried to do it out of Thunder Bay after YTZ. Didn't last too long though. Could not do gravel ops.

[Redneck_pilot86]

The issue may well be for the transfer of bariatric patients.

Many of these people simply can't fit into the Beech 200 class of aircraft. Therefore, a larger aircraft is required to extend healthcare to these citizens.

They have road ambulances similarly equipped.

Can't see this to be the reason. Isn't the door into the JS a bit higher than the KA? The medical team would have to lift the patient higher to get into the door. That is a lot of lifting. Plus would not the door of a 200 and a 31 be about the same width? Plus if anyone is getting bariatric surgery would they not have to arrange transport to the hospital themselves. This is not an emergency situation. My guess is they are just trying to utilize what they have in the fleet for a contract they just won. That is all. Make hay when the sun shines.

These "bariatric medevacs" happen quite often. There was talk of the next Yukon medevac contract requiring a 1900 to do them. These people are far from the definition of healthy, so the medevacs for them certainly are emergency situations, albeit one that is somewhat predictable. Personally, I think if you manage to get to 450 lbs or more, you have some serious thinking to do about your life choices.

[SuperchargedRS]

These "bariatric medevacs" happen quite often. There was talk of the next Yukon medevac contract requiring a 1900 to do them. These people are far from the definition of healthy, so the medevacs for them certainly are emergency situations, albeit one that is somewhat predictable. Personally, I think if you manage to get to 450 lbs or more, you have some serious thinking to do about your life choices.

This is why they should just be using PC12s or if they are scared of a single engine order some of the new PC24s.

Loading 400 pounders in a PC12 isn't a issue, well as long as you have proper ground personal to help, which you should have no matter.

[co-joe]

I did a fat-evac once where the fire department came out to help load. We had to wiggle the whole stretcher left, then right, and keep tucking fat rolls each time until he fit through the door of the 200. Seriously gross. I wore gloves, a mask, and a gown.

The story from North Manitoba was far worse. Supposedly the guy got soo fat they had to take one wall of his house off to extricate him. Then the flew him in a metro with the cargo door. They had to put him on a pallet and use a forklift to load him.

[ditar]

I've heard a story of a 737 combi being used for a bariatric medevac. The patient was allegedly transported while herc-strapped to a pallet.

[rigpiggy]

These "bariatric medevacs" happen quite often. There was talk of the next Yukon medevac contract requiring a 1900 to do them. These people are far from the definition of healthy, so the medevacs for them certainly are emergency situations, albeit one that is somewhat predictable. Personally, I think if you manage to get to 450 lbs or more, you have some serious thinking to do about your life choices.

This is why they should just be using PC12s or if they are scared of a single engine order some of the new PC24s.

Loading 400 pounders in a PC12 isn't a issue, well as long as you have proper ground personal to help, which you should have no matter.

Lets see used B1900 2.3m, new pc-24 is how much? Got to have either a really good rate for sitting on your ass all the time, or lots of flying. You can also use the hunnypot to carry more pax/cargo, and have available on say 4 hr stby

[SuperchargedRS]

In which case PC12 it

[AOW]

In which case PC12 it

Some jurisdictions require a multi-turbine aircraft to perform work as an air ambulance. But fortunately there are a number of effective twin turboprops for the job; if you want a big door, you can get the King Air 200C or 350C, 1900 or a Metro, etc. Despite what certain misspelled fruit would have you believe, PC12 is not the only answer!

[SuperchargedRS]

In which case PC12 it

Some jurisdictions require a multi-turbine aircraft to perform work as an air ambulance. But fortunately there are a number of effective twin turboprops for the job; if you want a big door, you can get the King Air 200C or 350C, 1900 or a Metro, etc. Despite what certain misspelled fruit would have you believe, PC12 is not the only answer!

Single engine paranoia, gotta love it.

I'm just speaking as a pilatus medevac driver, and not for the fruit.

[AOW]

Single engine paranoia, gotta love it.

I'm just speaking as a pilatus medevac driver, and not for the fruit.

Having had a PT-6 fail in flight on me, I was very grateful to have a second one. I don't think anybody should be using the PC-12 for air ambulance over sparsely settled areas.