Free at last

[i broke free]

See the last posting - I've modified my thoughts on this subject.

[Hot Fuel]

"It's neither job nor career, its a lifestyle"

[airliner]

Well admiting to you addiction is the first thing. I my friend are far from that. My job like many others allows me to have a decent golf game and afford to pay the green fees as well.
So to you i raise my glass pipe and take another hit off this rock.

[LostinRotation]

[ My goal is to awaken you from your slumber, shake you into reality and face facts that this industry is relying on your being addicted to it in order to continue. The power is in your hands and you never knew it. Nothing changes 'til something changes, and as Dr. Phil says "you can't change what you don't acknowledge."


More to come about how I broke free ..........

If you think I can walk away from something that's been in my blood since the day I was born, sacraficed a serious long term relationship for, stayed in to study instead of partying with friends and currently bust my ass to keep my head above water to make the industry better for people like you and others who quit and those who opt for buying PPC's you have no clue as to what real love for aviation is my friend.


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[mellow_pilot]

Yeah! What he said!

[Yoyoma]

...as Dr. Phil says "you can't change what you don't acknowledge." .

You watch Dr. Phil?

[i broke free]

What's the feeling you're after that you cannot get doing something else where you are treated like a human being, instead of someone to be hired and let go at the whim of an industry that's severely dysfunctional?
That some are willing to buy PPC's is only a symptom of their desperation and unwillingness to let go of the pipe-dream.

[J.P.WISER]

...as Dr. Phil says "you can't change what you don't acknowledge." .

You watch Dr. Phil?

I think we now have found where this is coming from!!!

I'll say it again incase anybody missed it YOU WATCH DR. PHIL??

[Yoyoma]

I broke free,

Nothing comes without sacrifice. You can welcome whatever life throws at you and if you can wake up every morning and live with who you are, then all the best!

A dream, an ambition or a goal is what distinguishes most humans from animals. We're able to take our destiny into our own hands, and work hard to succeed. Leaving Aviation is not a solution for a better life. People who leave do it because they have to. I, for example, was starving, broke and had no hope at a meaningful life. So I left.

So I'm trying to find that job you talk about that doesn't require sacrifice! I'm out of aviation and I have to slave everyday for companies to recognise my achievements. If I want to earn an Extra $10K, I have to kill my weekends so I fly to god knows where and deliver, deliver, deliver!! I've been out for 4 years now and still slaving and chasing stability, money and a family life!

People just don't walk into success. Investment Bankers sacrifice their youth and relationships for the big bucks. Consultants spend their first 15 years running across the globe so they can have a shot at making it to "partner" one day. Business grads slave for years to climb the ladder and once they get their first VP seat, they work endless hours trying to keep it!

So please, let me know where you work. I would love to put in my Resume!

Cheers,
Yoyoma

[LostinRotation]

It makes me sad to read what you just wrote, that you've sacrificed so much of your life for "aviation." Why? What's the feeling you're after that you cannot get doing something else where you are treated like a human being, instead of someone to be hired and let go at the whim of an industry that's severely dysfunctional? Is it a feeling of "approval of others" when they ask "what do you do" and you say "pilot" and see their eyes light up? Of course you will have noticed the slight disappointment in their face when you say you are not flying a big jet for a major airline, because the general public knows absolutely nothing about the business.

Well first off...I have two jobs and work very hard at both. For that I am valued by my students and thats what matters to me. Secondly I really don't care what other people think about the job I do for a living. Flying has been part of who I am long before society ever got it's evil mitts on me. I am who I am because thats who I want to be...not to impress people I don't know...If I wanted to be that person I would quit aviation, get a better job and buy a porsche....What colour did you order yours in ?

Yes I would love to fly for a major airline, but I'll also be happy somewhere else...as long as I'm flying....but the trick is not to sell out and stick to your morals. I will not work for free, but I will do the work of two to get where I want to be...and thats in the air...A380 or not.


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[gelbisch]

Good post, Yoyoma.

[i broke free]

Yoyoma wrote:
"I've been out for 4 years now and still slaving and chasing stability, money and a family life!"

I never said in my original posting that one doesn't have to commit and work hard - but sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice - is that what life is all about?
Is that why the Liquor store and the Beer Store are the best business around - to kill the pain from all that sacrifice?

[LostinRotation]

Is that why the Liquor store and the Beer Store are the best business around - to kill the pain from all that sacrifice?

No...that's to get us all laid



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[i broke free]

I don't believe in the sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice approach to life, but in the creative approach - you'll never dig yourself out of a hole by digging the same hole deeper.

[Yoyoma]

Yoyoma wrote:
"I've been out for 4 years now and still slaving and chasing stability, money and a family life!"

It sounds like you've got yourself into another bad situation. I'm never said in my original posting that one doesn't have to commit and work hard - but sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice - is that what life is all about?
Is that why the Liquor store and the Beer Store are the best business around - to kill the pain from all that sacrifice?
What about changing your perspective and finding something else that you would enjoy doing that might be rewarding? Experiment - and try to build some fun into your life too.

So a Registered Nurse is telling me that I've gotten myself into a bad situation?? WTF? You will work longer hours, sweat and run, your work environment is not of top choice and might I add you won't be compensated enough for the sacrifices, yes your job is a sacrifice my friend!

I can't claim to have found a Job that I love. I don't drive to work with a smile on my face, but I'm not hating it either. I can tell you I'm positively challenged and stimulated by it. It requires my brain to provide 200% of activity to come up with solutions and strategies.

That's a George Bush like rallying statement, when it's other people's children he's sending off to sacrifice, not his own. Sacrifice does not guarantee anything other than that it hurts a lot. The expected reward might never materialize, and what then?
I don't believe in the sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice approach to life, but in the creative approach - you'll never dig yourself out of a hole by digging the same hole deeper.

George Bush statement? What are you smoking man? Are you in some sort of cult or something? Have you been brainwashed? I don't know about you but I never got anything handed to me. I wish my Dad was a Millionaire and left me 1.5 Mil as a grad present. But he didn't. It was hard paying for Flight school and it was hard paying for rent and even now, It's hard to keep my bank account full with life's expenses.

I've recently come back on the job market and I'm currently negotiating Salaries+Bonuses in the 6 figure range. I'm MBA educated and hope to write a PhD before I'm 40.

So where have I gone wrong?

Yoyoma

[i broke free]

Obviously my choice of work is not for everybody, and I never thought it might be. Also, you shouldn't assume that all RN's work in a hospital, there are many opportunities in the field for advancement into other areas. Of course there's some sacrifice, but it's not all sacrifice, not at all.

[bater]

Alright I've been semi-lurking here for a while, but this post got me thinking a little bit and heres my take on it...

You're talkng about being on your death bed and thinking back about "sacrificing your life to fly people and e-bay goods." If you look at it from the perspective of that's what you're doing sure, its a shitty deal. You haven't taken into the account all the great(and true friends) you've met along the way, all the amazing sunrises and sunsets you've witnessed, the interesting and odd-ball places you've lived and been to and a million other unique experiences you've had. sure it's not for everybody... I can see someone just starting in aviation who is trying to support a family on a low salary having a hard time, but for a young single person, i can't see anything better. Sure you can go the other route, and make lots of money, but at what cost? you're still going to making sacrifices, regardless of what you decide to do. I GUARANTEE YOU, when you are on your death bed you won't be wishing you had more money or toys.... It's the experiences and people we meet along the way that count in the long run.

I for one don't care if I'm monetarily rich, but I know without a doubt that aviation will make me rich in experience.

Oh and P.S. A MALE NURSE IS A PRETTY GAY PROFESSION, but that makes sense since you seem to quote Dr. Phil alot
just kidding with ya bud

[LostinRotation]

I said you might be in a bad situation only because you said that you were working two jobs to keep afloat. I am in no cult, but I think you lot in aviation might be

Well just to put things straight, I am the one who works two jobs...if you can't even be bothered to read the posts, why bother posting ?
There are only a handfull of us that posted in this thread, if you can't distinguish between what Yoyoma said and what I said, I fear for your patients at medication time.

Yoyoma did what he did and is happier for it but likes to hang with us ( and we're better for it ) which proves he obviously still loves aviation. He makes no gripes and helps us wayward when we need it. You on the other hand tell us it's an addiction, yet even after getting a job as an RN your not happy, so you seek out an aviation forum and preach to us .... maybe we're addicted to our lifestyle...and maybe your pissed that through dedication and hard work, or hell even shit luck, we may indeed get to where you still dream about being.

bater: nice post and well said... for a new guy


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[i broke free]

Reply to bater:

I liked your thoughtful reply about the value of the experiences along the way, but they will happen no matter what we do. My point is, once again, that the industry is an unstable business and poorly paid for many many years. Who knows when, if ever, one can reach the "dream." It's a gamble and more so now with the peak oil situation, the instability in the industry etc. Sunsets and friends are nice, but they don't pay the bills. One needs stability too, along with freedom.

Now, regarding your comment about being GAY in order to be a nurse. That just confirms the male macho culture in aviation. Another poster also called me "man" which I found interesting. Who said I was a male? I AM FEMALE. Assumptions, assumptions - what other assumptions are you all working under that may be incorrect?

[LostinRotation]

Another poster also called me "man" which I found interesting. Who said I was a male? I AM FEMALE.

Well that explains Dr. Phil

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[bandaid]

I was a nurse in my younger days and I have to say that you made a good choice of careers, not for everyone, but good for you. I am a paramedic. I prefer doing what I do rather than nursing. I'm sure that I can speak for a few pilots out there that would probably say they prefer being a pilot. Not everyone is cut out to give injections, treat the terminally ill, wash dirty butts, be spat at, swore at..... I think you get the picture. You will make better money than a lot of pilots and you will probably tell yourself that is all that counts. I like to help people, drive fast through traffic making all sorts of noise to an emergency that is not my own, in short I am an adrenaline junky and the money is good too. I couldn't go back to being in the hospital setting.
Pilots like to fly and I'm sure the reason they like to is similar to my career, hours and hours of boredom followed by seconds of pure panic. You got to do what floats your boat or life is spent waiting to die.

[i broke free]

Sorry Lostinrotation for mixing you up with Yoyoma about the jobs thing. I'm just getting used to the forum. Where did I say I was unhappy with being an RN? I'm very happy with the work.

[LostinRotation]

It's ok....just don't give my heldol and ativan to anyone else ok ?!


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[FlowPack]

Point to ponder:
I graduated high school, got a job. I learned that job as best could and started a company doing the same thing. I worked hard. I had to or it would have failed. It did not. My best and last year I nearly hit the 6 figure mark. Guess what? I HATED that job.
Some people are addicted to money, some are addicted to their job, some are addiced to Dr. Phil.
I entered the aviation industry not long ago. I LOVE it. I know it doesn't pay but there is more to life than money. I used to wake up in the morning and dread the commute, and the phone calls, the sore back, and the problems and the solutions I was required to come up with impromtu, all with no return except in the bank account.
No thanks.
I wake up now in anticipation of what the day, the weather and the airplane will bring my way. I have seen a little bit on each side of the fence..I'm going with my gut.
I'm gonna fly airplanes.

[MCA]

that is so freakin' hilarious.... bla bla bla, i'm cool, bla bla bla, you're gay (ok, that was a real asshole comment, Mr. Bater, especially when reading the reply!), bla bla bla.

being a pilot is cool, but i guess aviation is the industry with the highest rate of loosers, idiots, ignorants, and stupid people. it starts on the ramp, and goes up to the CEO office. after a few years, i still can't figure out how one can pilot a boeing while being such an asshole, knowing little to nothing about life outside the cockpit and aviation. i thought it was a glamorous profession, but i have no illusions anymore!

there's more to life than this. i aim higher than this.

have a nice and fun day!