Oh My, another uppity Speedbird pilot

[cncpc]

This time in Dublin, starts beaking off to Ground, the lads cut him up...

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/ne ... 17317.html

[Panama Jack]

"This" made it into the news? C'mon.

[cncpc]

It's big on PPrune.

I may have told this story here before, but along the same lines...

Years ago, mid 80s, I was at YVR waiting to depart 26 and holding at Mike in an Aztec, waiting for a BA 747 on short final. It's quite a view of a 747 landing at that spot and this beauty comes by and smokes em right on the 1000 foot marker and it recedes down the runway with all that after landing stuff going on. Then this conversation happens.

Tower: Speedbird 123 turn right at the high speed, contact ground 121.9.
Silence for about 5 seconds then
Speedbird 123 (in a perfect Nigel voice): Tower, kindly refrain from transmitting to us while we are completing our after landing checks.
Silence, and then a voice remarkably similar to that of a Beaver pilot just previously cleared takeoff from the river says:
Tower, you can talk to us whenever you want. Some of us can walk and chew gum at the same time, you limey bastard.
No response from Speedbird. Probably gone to Ground by then.

['97 Tercel]

"This" made it into the news? C'mon.

I agree. This is 'much ado about nothing'

[whipline]

Dublin is notorious for giving preference to air lingus. I haven't looked at it closely but I'll guess speed bird was correct. I'll also guess the voices saying the controller was doing a great job were Irish.

[Canoehead]

No need to tell her on freq and for everyone else to know that they are "going to be filing a safety report on this"..... Just file the damned report if you must.

[cncpc]

Dublin is notorious for giving preference to air lingus. I haven't looked at it closely but I'll guess speed bird was correct. I'll also guess the voices saying the controller was doing a great job were Irish.

Oh yes. Without a doubt.

[cncpc]

There is some defence of the Brit on PPrune, saying that it was their tug crew that stopped them from pushing back into an aircraft passing behind them. But your one in the tower said she was trying to stop pushback for that very reason but couldn't raise them, and he says they were talking to the tug crew. So if Dub ground let the situation develop to where the tug crew had to stop, then your man may have a point about his safety report.

[North Shore]

Dublin is notorious for giving preference to air lingus. I haven't looked at it closely but I'll guess speed bird was correct. I'll also guess the voices saying the controller was doing a great job were Irish.

I'm sure that the Irish are very cunning with their treatment of Aer Lingus!

[all_ramped_up]

Dublin is notorious for giving preference to air lingus. I haven't looked at it closely but I'll guess speed bird was correct. I'll also guess the voices saying the controller was doing a great job were Irish.

I'm sure that the Irish are very cunning with their treatment of Aer Lingus!

[Meatservo]

I'm sure that the Irish are very cunning with their treatment of Aer Lingus!

"Look, a low-hanging fruit... Let's grab it!"

[rigpiggy]

Dublin is notorious for giving preference to air lingus. I haven't looked at it closely but I'll guess speed bird was correct. I'll also guess the voices saying the controller was doing a great job were Irish.

Oh like westjet in yyc/yeg, or big red in yyz.

[rigpiggy]

There is some defence of the Brit on PPrune, saying that it was their tug crew that stopped them from pushing back into an aircraft passing behind them. But your one in the tower said she was trying to stop pushback for that very reason but couldn't raise them, and he says they were talking to the tug crew. So if Dub ground let the situation develop to where the tug crew had to stop, then your man may have a point about his safety report.

So the f/o couldntt listen on ground during the push? Like a hi vis vest protects you from getting hit, everybody is trying to kill you, youll live longer thinking this way. whether its the 401, crossing the street, or flying a plane......

[JBI]

I'm sure that the Irish are very cunning with their treatment of Aer Lingus!

"Look, a low-hanging fruit... Let's grab it!"

It's nice having your fruit grabbed every once and a while. You should try it sometime.

[Panama Jack]

No need to tell her on freq and for everyone else to know that they are "going to be filing a safety report on this"..... Just file the damned report if you must.

I somewhat disagree.

Without particular reference to this occurence, I consider advising the other party that you are filing an ASR to be a professional courtesy, so that they may also make a report or statement and know that this 'memorable moment' may be raised again in 3 to 4 weeks. Air Traffic Control and Regulators usually (hopefully) do the same to pilots. Although these are stressful things, it allows the other party to record them details of the matter while the memory is still fresh in their mind. I consider it better than being broadsided and having a supervisor tear into me asking for minut details on what happen a month ago when I can barely even remember what happened 3 days ago.

Back to this event, I am sure the crew's Chief Pilot will have read the ASR by now, including the news article and listened to the ATC recording which is now famous. Let their Fleet Office deal with with the matter.

[I WAS Birddog]

The jet I command has a top airspeed of 320kts.

after our T/O from XYZ airport and on the climb out, ATC asks British Airways that was behind me what his climbout speed will be after telling him he's behind my a/c type...his cocky reply;

"....Three twenty one..."

I couldn't stop laughing off and on it the mic.

Any 'race' that thinks it is superior to anyone elses culture is probably as broken and as flawed as everyone else....ESPECIALLY when their contribution to the world is fish & chips as well as having the highest inbreeding percentage of the 1st world nations. #CalmDownSon #ReadALittle

['97 Tercel]

hashtags rule

[JasonE]

My personal favorite was being referred to as "Watch out for slow moving Cherokee traffic 12 o-clock."

[AuxBatOn]

I am not sure what's worst... BAW's attitude or every other aircrew's infantile and useless comments on the air... And then we pretend we are a professionnal bunch...

[missed-approach]

Any 'race' that thinks it is superior to anyone elses culture is probably as broken and as flawed as everyone else....ESPECIALLY when their contribution to the world is fish & chips as well as having the highest inbreeding percentage of the 1st world nations. #CalmDownSon #ReadALittle

We make great Fish and Chips, True. If you want to see real inbreeding, try the Maritimes!!

[av8ts]

It's 2016 and they still have a royal family like it was 1416. Need we say more.

[CpnCrunch]

It's 2016 and they still have a royal family like it was 1416. Need we say more.

Are you aware that the Queen is also the head of state of Canada?

[av8ts]

Much to my chagrin I'm well aware of it.

[Meatservo]

Any 'race' that thinks it is superior to anyone elses culture is probably as broken and as flawed as everyone else....ESPECIALLY when their contribution to the world is fish & chips as well as having the highest inbreeding percentage of the 1st world nations. #CalmDownSon #ReadALittle

The idea that a "moderator" would say such a thing- although being a "moderator" hardly implies any degree of good breeding, as evidenced by the use of "hash tags".

I'm actually quite impressed with fish and chips- as well as that other British invention "The Engine".

[Gino Under]

It's somewhat surprising to read the 'feedback' posted after listening to the ATC exchange on this one.
If you've ever participated as flight deck crew in the pushback process of any airliner at a busy airport in an aircraft the size of a Blunderbus 320, then it seems odd in this instance most have forgotten where ones focus tends to be.
Correct me if I'm wrong but I heard several instances of transmissions being stepped on throughout this time period which seems to me may have contributed to this vitriolic 'exchange' and might have also contributed to a call being missed. It's rather cheeky and presumptive of any controller to accuse or convict you on the air of not listening out when they weren't sitting on that BA flight deck during that push back process. Despite the BA pilot admitting WHY he wasn't listening out.

Anyone see the You Tube video of the A380 clipping an RJ during push back? Sh*t can happen fast.

I can well imagine and appreciate why the Birdseed 320 pilot was P.O.'d as I can easily understand why the controller was equally unimpressed.

Snide remarks by the likes of RYR are quite unprofessional, surely. Especially comments like "you should be quicker". Clearly, someone hasn't learned yet why we don't rush. Rushing may have even contributed to transmissions being stepped on.

Definitely worth the incident report. Perhaps matching both CVR and tower tapes will put the true puzzle together.

Gino