Instructor Rating Renewal Course

[Prairie Highway]

Hi all,

So I've heard some conflicting opinions on whether the course can be used in lieu of a flight test when it comes to renewing for a class 4. Anyone care to weigh in?

Thanks!

[Grey_Wolf]

CAR 421.66

[Prairie Highway]

Maybe I'm slow, but I can't find anything that directly says that as a class 4 you cannot use the renewal course, although I have conflicting opinions from TC staff...

[praveen4143]

You can renew any class of instructor rating through the Flight Instructor Refresher course provided the rating has not expired.

(1) An applicant for renewal of a Flight Instructor Rating - Aeroplane or Helicopter shall have the rating provided that the applicant:
(a) successfully completes a flight test for the appropriate flight instructor rating;
(b) successfully completes a flight instructor refresher course, in which case the rating shall be renewed from the date of the last day of the course. When the last day of the course is within 90 days of the valid to date of the existing rating, the renewed rating shall be valid to the same date as if the refresher course was completed during the month prior to the valid to date of the existing rating; or
(c) in the previous 24 months, has acquired at least 300 hours of flight instructor experience and had, in this period, at least 80% of candidates recommended for the applicable flight tests pass on the first attempt. The renewal shall be based on no fewer than 5 flight tests.
(d) When an instructor flight test for the renewal or upgrade of a flight instructor rating is conducted within the 90 day period prior to the valid to date of the existing rating, the renewed rating shall be valid to the same date as if the flight test was done during the month prior to the valid to date of the existing rating.
(2) Where the applicant has renewed the instructor rating twice consecutively by means other than a flight test, the next renewal shall be through successful completion of a flight test for the appropriate flight instructor rating.
(3) (a) Where a flight instructor rating is or has been valid within the preceding 12 months, an applicant for renewal shall successfully complete a flight test for the appropriate flight instructor rating.
(b) Where a flight instructor rating has been invalid for more than 12 months but less than 24 months, an applicant for renewal shall:
(i) provide a recommendation from the holder of a Class 1 Flight Instructor Rating in the appropriate category indicating that the applicant is considered competent to undertake an instructor flight test; and
(ii) successfully complete a flight test for the appropriate flight instructor rating.
(c) Where a flight instructor rating has been invalid for more than 24 months, an applicant for renewal shall:
(i) provide a recommendation from the holder of a Class 1 Flight Instructor Rating in the appropriate category indicating that the applicant is considered competent to complete the written examination(s) and undertake an instructor flight test;
(ii) successfully complete the examination requirement set forth under Knowledge for the appropriate flight instructor rating; and
(iii) successfully complete a flight test for the appropriate flight instructor rating.

[Prairie Highway]

Okay, thanks for the input! I may do well by getting it in writing from Transport

[praveen4143]

Okay, thanks for the input! I may do well by getting it in writing from Transport

It is quite clear in the CARs I quoted above. I don't think you should need anything more.

[Panama Jack]

OK, I know this sounds a little bit brutal and I am probably taking the question out of context, but it worries me when licenced instructors are unable to find, read, interpret and defend the finer details of Standard 421- Flight Crew Permits, Licences and Ratings, especially pertaining to the validity and renewal of a rating which they already hold.

[Prairie Highway]

OK, I know this sounds a little bit brutal and I am probably taking the question out of context, but it worries me when licenced instructors are unable to find, read, interpret and defend the finer details of Standard 421- Flight Crew Permits, Licences and Ratings, especially pertaining to the validity and renewal of a rating which they already hold.

As I had posted, I was looking for clarification because I had been told by a TC inspector that I could NOT use the course towards a class 4 renewal. Didnt think I'd be chastised for double checking that i hadn't missed something in the CARS. But hey, sorry for asking a question.

[praveen4143]

No offense to TC instructors but not the first time someone made an honest mistake. I've had a TC inspector once tell me I couldn't do something until I showed him the appropriate CAR and he accepted it. We are all humans after all... Just have to make sure you can pull up the rule and interpret it.

[Prairie Highway]

No offense to TC instructors but not the first time someone made an honest mistake. I've had a TC inspector once tell me I couldn't do something until I showed him the appropriate CAR and he accepted it. We are all humans after all... Just have to make sure you can pull up the rule and interpret it.

Haha well thanks for the input!

[rentdressyk]

Is anyone aware of the Minimum hours required for the grade 3 instructor rating post December changes? Is it still a 40 hour course after that too? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

[praveen4143]

Is anyone aware of the Minimum hours required for the grade 3 instructor rating post December changes? Is it still a 40 hour course after that too? Any info would be greatly appreciated. Thanks.

Would you be able to provide a link to the proposed changes please? I wasn't aware there were changes being proposed.