New hire bids

[rudder]

Oct 31st DEC only. Already filled
Next should be sometime in November.

That should be interesting.

[flyingcanuck]

Oct 31st DEC only. Already filled
Next should be sometime in November.

That should be interesting.

True, how many will actually follow through

[kiaszceski]

Oct 31st DEC only. Already filled
Next should be sometime in November.

That should be interesting.

True, how many will actually follow through

Most importantly what will happen if they fail? Terminated ? back to be FO?
Interesting.

[FL030]

True, how many will actually follow through

Yep, time for some soul searching for those guys.

[Goodman5]

Any clue about their experience level? 1500-2000 hour Instructor to 705 skipper would be scary quite frankly. Same with newish 703-704 Captains. Training standard won’t change for them so we’ll see how it pans out I guess

[tango308]

Any clue about their experience level? 1500-2000 hour Instructor to 705 skipper would be scary quite frankly. Same with newish 703-704 Captains. Training standard won’t change for them so we’ll see how it pans out I guess

It is indeed scary if some instructor tries to go for left seat right away, will most likely end up as a fail. Remember if you fail a ride and interview at other operator this can come back and haunt you. Not to ding the instructor type, I was one myself, but 705 flying is a whole different game. Give yourself sometime, learn it from the right seat, do one of each seasons as an FO and then bid right seat, WIN.

[ellinas]

Any news on the latest bids in the Sept 19 class?

8 Spots

3 RJ FO YYZ
5 Q4 DEC or FO YYZ

Wow thanks, didn’t expect the class to be this small

Is this because that’s all they need or didn’t get enough? Interesting

[tango308]

8 Spots

3 RJ FO YYZ
5 Q4 DEC or FO YYZ

Wow thanks, didn’t expect the class to be this small

Is this because that’s all they need or didn’t get enough? Interesting

I can tell you with certitude it is NOT because that's all they need. Word from management is training capacity will be shifted from new hires to upgrades for a short while. Should you choose to believe this is up to you...

[negative_g]

Wow thanks, didn’t expect the class to be this small

Is this because that’s all they need or didn’t get enough? Interesting

I can tell you with certitude it is NOT because that's all they need. Word from management is training capacity will be shifted from new hires to upgrades for a short while. Should you choose to believe this is up to you...

Shifting to upgrades? But no one wants to upgrade. Isn't that why they're hiring DEC?

[maverick12]

Wow thanks, didn’t expect the class to be this small

Is this because that’s all they need or didn’t get enough? Interesting

I can tell you with certitude it is NOT because that's all they need. Word from management is training capacity will be shifted from new hires to upgrades for a short while. Should you choose to believe this is up to you...

Interesting, I guess we shouldn’t hold our breathe for a 20 person GS in November. Don’t know why they’re still interviewing people then.

[ellinas]

Wow thanks, didn’t expect the class to be this small

Is this because that’s all they need or didn’t get enough? Interesting

I can tell you with certitude it is NOT because that's all they need. Word from management is training capacity will be shifted from new hires to upgrades for a short while. Should you choose to believe this is up to you...

Oh ok! So very little hiring for a while . They’ll be training present pilots to captains. So we should wait for a while before applying.

[negative_g]

Why would you wait before applying?

Apply, get interviewed and get into the pool. Then one day the call comes and off you go. Waiting to apply doesn't make much sense.

[kiaszceski]

Why would you wait before applying?

Apply, get interviewed and get into the pool. Then one day the call comes and off you go. Waiting to apply doesn't make much sense.

It might actually, if you are close to switching "experience box" depending on what box you tick in the application.

If you are close to 1000 or 1500 hrs, or if you are close to 501+ hours of multi or than 1500 hrs.

[maverick12]

Why would you wait before applying?

Apply, get interviewed and get into the pool. Then one day the call comes and off you go. Waiting to apply doesn't make much sense.

It might actually, if you are close to switching "experience box" depending on what box you tick in the application.

If you are close to 1000 or 1500 hrs, or if you are close to 501+ hours of multi or than 1500 hrs.

But those boxes can be altered all the way till Sim eval atleast

[rudder]

Oct 31 new-hire GS now limited to 10 candidates. Mostly DEC.

Oct 10 GS cancelled. Sept 19 was just 8 candidates.

Next GS after Oct 31 will be Nov 21 (supposedly).

Total actual pilots hired May-October will be less than 110 (that is an average of less than 18 per month. Meanwhile, AC is hiring 80 per month). Original Jazz plan May-Oct was 165 (205 for 2022).

If you add in non-forecast attrition (Porter/Flair/WJ/Transat/Sunwing/CargoJet/Morningstar/corporate/etc) no wonder Jazz wants to shut down AC flow.

Jazz is falling way behind in hiring/training considering that the previously achieved high water mark for annual PIT was 500+.

[ellinas]

Oct 31 new-hire GS now limited to 10 candidates. Mostly DEC.

Oct 10 GS cancelled. Sept 19 was just 8 candidates.

Next GS after Oct 31 will be Nov 21 (supposedly).

Total actual pilots hired May-October will be less than 110 (that is an average of less than 18 per month. Meanwhile, AC is hiring 80 per month). Original Jazz plan May-Oct was 165 (205 for 2022).

If you add in non-forecast attrition (Porter/Flair/WJ/Transat/Sunwing/CargoJet/Morningstar/corporate/etc) no wonder Jazz wants to shut down AC flow.

Jazz is falling way behind in hiring/training considering that the previously achieved high water mark for annual PIT was 500+.

So there is a shortage of experienced pilots over 1000 hours not necessarily 500 hours pilots or just shortage of all pilots.

[kiaszceski]

Oct 31 new-hire GS now limited to 10 candidates. Mostly DEC.

Oct 10 GS cancelled. Sept 19 was just 8 candidates.

Next GS after Oct 31 will be Nov 21 (supposedly).

Total actual pilots hired May-October will be less than 110 (that is an average of less than 18 per month. Meanwhile, AC is hiring 80 per month). Original Jazz plan May-Oct was 165 (205 for 2022).

If you add in non-forecast attrition (Porter/Flair/WJ/Transat/Sunwing/CargoJet/Morningstar/corporate/etc) no wonder Jazz wants to shut down AC flow.

Jazz is falling way behind in hiring/training considering that the previously achieved high water mark for annual PIT was 500+.

So there is a shortage of experienced pilots over 1000 hours not necessarily 500 hours pilots or just shortage of all pilots.

1000h pilot doesn’t necessarily mean experienced pilots.
They need DEC, quick upgradable (3-6 months), in that order. When they won’t be able to fill in their DEC courses, they will call the quick upgradable candidates. Then the low timers.
Now does a 703 captain or a 1000hrs single pilot Navajo or a multi-IfR instructor or a 705 FO is the best fit to be a Q4 or CRJ captain, that is up to flight ops to decide.
They have all the numbers that show what might be the failure rate in each category.

[ellinas]

Oct 31 new-hire GS now limited to 10 candidates. Mostly DEC.

Oct 10 GS cancelled. Sept 19 was just 8 candidates.

Next GS after Oct 31 will be Nov 21 (supposedly).

Total actual pilots hired May-October will be less than 110 (that is an average of less than 18 per month. Meanwhile, AC is hiring 80 per month). Original Jazz plan May-Oct was 165 (205 for 2022).

If you add in non-forecast attrition (Porter/Flair/WJ/Transat/Sunwing/CargoJet/Morningstar/corporate/etc) no wonder Jazz wants to shut down AC flow.

Jazz is falling way behind in hiring/training considering that the previously achieved high water mark for annual PIT was 500+.

So there is a shortage of experienced pilots over 1000 hours not necessarily 500 hours pilots or just shortage of all pilots.

1000h pilot doesn’t necessarily mean experienced pilots.
They need DEC, quick upgradable (3-6 months), in that order. When they won’t be able to fill in their DEC courses, they will call the quick upgradable candidates. Then the low timers.
Now does a 703 captain or a 1000hrs single pilot Navajo or a multi-IfR instructor or a 705 FO is the best fit to be a Q4 or CRJ captain, that is up to flight ops to decide.
They have all the numbers that show what might be the failure rate in each category.

So basically us 700 hour wannabes are just wasting our time trying to get something. We need over 1500 hours to even hit the nail on the head. Makes sense , experience counts

[Big Pistons Forever]

Experience counts until they get desperate then suddenly “hard minimums” get softer than spray cheese. Even if you are not close apply anyway. I know a guy that got a corporate jet job with less than half the “non negotiable, don’t even apply if you don’t have the time” time.

Turns out they had a paid for sim spot starting in 3 days and their preferred candidate no-showed…..

[jpilot77]

Experience counts until they get desperate then suddenly “hard minimums” get softer than spray cheese. Even if you are not close apply anyway. I know a guy that got a corporate jet job with less than half the “non negotiable, don’t even apply if you don’t have the time” time.

Turns out they had a paid for sim spot starting in 3 days and their preferred candidate no-showed…..

Yes and no. A 1000 hour pilot ain’t going captain at a 705 no matter how low they get on pilots. Jazz’s problem right now isn’t lack of pilots, it’s a lack of experienced pilots. Jazz in 2019 was hiring super low time pilots left and right.

The problem with hiring a 1000 hour guy or 750, 500 hour guy is they’re at least a couple of years before they can go left seat. Jazz right now is hiring for DEC or guys that can upgrade in 6 months.