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June 6 class
YYZ Q4 - 4
YYC Q4 - 4
YYZ CRJ - 9
YYC CRJ - 3
20 total pilots. Direct entry captain positions being awarded after the current bid finalizes.
YYZ Q4 - 4
YYC Q4 - 4
YYZ CRJ - 9
YYC CRJ - 3
20 total pilots. Direct entry captain positions being awarded after the current bid finalizes.
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Can we still expect a class every 3 weeks for the remainder of the year?
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Not under the rules of the current CBA they aren’t.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:15 pm Direct entry captain positions being awarded after the current bid finalizes.
Perhaps there will be an LOU. Perhaps not.
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Yes, you go through the full groundschool once again and will make your sim partner very happy (make sure they buy you a beer).
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There was a TPPC program for the former GGN CRJ pilots. It is unlikely that would apply to new-hires, but you never know.
More likely full course.
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The way it was explained to me was to bid captain once the standing bid re opens on Friday. It will be awarded prior to the next ground school, with an effective date after the ground school. Basically everyone is being trained as FO, and coming back for their upgrades. Maybe direct entry captain was poor wording, but it won’t take long for upgrades as it stands now.rudder wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:47 pmNot under the rules of the current CBA they aren’t.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:15 pm Direct entry captain positions being awarded after the current bid finalizes.
Perhaps there will be an LOU. Perhaps not.
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That sounds more compliant.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:44 pmThe way it was explained to me was to bid captain once the standing bid re opens on Friday. It will be awarded prior to the next ground school, with an effective date after the ground school. Basically everyone is being trained as FO, and coming back for their upgrades. Maybe direct entry captain was poor wording, but it won’t take long for upgrades as it stands now.rudder wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 3:47 pmNot under the rules of the current CBA they aren’t.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 2:15 pm Direct entry captain positions being awarded after the current bid finalizes.
Perhaps there will be an LOU. Perhaps not.
In order to bid for any vacant position, a pilot must be active and on payroll. A pilot is on payroll effective Day 1 of groundschool. ALPA must conduct seniority draw. After that, new-hire pilots may bid for any vacancy made available by the company that any more senior qualified/not frozen pilot has not bid for.
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So even if they get awarded CA quickly, I suppose it won't be effective for a few months since they need to train everyone already on property first.rudder wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:13 pmThat sounds more compliant.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:44 pmThe way it was explained to me was to bid captain once the standing bid re opens on Friday. It will be awarded prior to the next ground school, with an effective date after the ground school. Basically everyone is being trained as FO, and coming back for their upgrades. Maybe direct entry captain was poor wording, but it won’t take long for upgrades as it stands now.
In order to bid for any vacant position, a pilot must be active and on payroll. A pilot is on payroll effective Day 1 of groundschool. ALPA must conduct seniority draw. After that, new-hire pilots may bid for any vacancy made available by the company that any more senior qualified/not frozen pilot has not bid for.
From what I understand, if they train even just one of them out of seniority, everyone that will be awarded CA one the same equipment and base on the current bid will get bypass pay.
If they get awarded CA effective in a few months, what will those pilots do while waiting? FO?
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Will Direct entry Cpts about to come aboard, Jazz is about to become a shit show. If the company had a proper picus program its alot better to upgrade FO's who already know the company routes and how the company runs. Brace yourselves everyone.
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PICUS is a joke. You’re either the PIC with sole responsibility, or you’re not. The problem stopping FOs getting their ATPL is Transport’s outdated, meaningless and arbitrary requirements. For instance having to spend 25 hours as PIC ‘cross county’ at night. Not sure how helpful or relevant to their job it is having airline FOs having to rent a 172 to get those.Malfunction wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:19 am Will Direct entry Cpts about to come aboard, Jazz is about to become a shit show. If the company had a proper picus program its alot better to upgrade FO's who already know the company routes and how the company runs. Brace yourselves everyone.
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I totally agree. I'm nervous to see what is going to happen. I've had enough hard landings from 30+ year dash guys who got reduced on the jet. Now they will have even less AOM/COM knowledge.Malfunction wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:19 am Will Direct entry Cpts about to come aboard, Jazz is about to become a shit show. If the company had a proper picus program its alot better to upgrade FO's who already know the company routes and how the company runs. Brace yourselves everyone.
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The problem stopping FOs from getting their ATPLs has nothing to do with Transport Canada's requirements, as outdated and arbitrary as they may be. Everyone with an ATPL had to meet the same requirements. If you need to rent a C172 and go get your 25 hours of night cross-country in order to complete your ATPL, go do it, preferably as soon as you can! I think what's ultimately holding people back is a sense of entitlement ("the TC rules are so unfair and outdated, I'll wait until they change them") or simply a lack of motivation.Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:45 amPICUS is a joke. You’re either the PIC with sole responsibility, or you’re not. The problem stopping FOs getting their ATPL is Transport’s outdated, meaningless and arbitrary requirements. For instance having to spend 25 hours as PIC ‘cross county’ at night. Not sure how helpful or relevant to their job it is having airline FOs having to rent a 172 to get those.Malfunction wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:19 am Will Direct entry Cpts about to come aboard, Jazz is about to become a shit show. If the company had a proper picus program its alot better to upgrade FO's who already know the company routes and how the company runs. Brace yourselves everyone.
If money's an issue, you have the option of going to the bank and applying for a line of credit, or applying for an introductory rate credit card with 0% interest for the first year. I went with the latter option, and I know many others who have done the same thing. The minute I had my ATPL sticker in my hand, I was awarded a captain position by my company and started training the subsequent month. With my pay now doubled, I was able to pay back the credit card over the next few months without ever incurring any interest.
I personally know several pilots who have been at Jazz for a number of years now, and still haven't gotten their hours for the ATPL. Frankly, it's embarrassing watching these people turn into permanent FOs because they lack the drive to complete the ATPL requirements. If you want the left seat, or if you want to go to AC, leave your sense of entitlement behind and get your hours by whatever means you need to. The incessant whining about TC is silly and ultimately irrelevant - the requirements are what they are, and it's up to you to meet them.
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This!!!Cavalier44 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 7:39 amThe problem stopping FOs from getting their ATPLs has nothing to do with Transport Canada's requirements, as outdated and arbitrary as they may be. Everyone with an ATPL had to meet the same requirements. If you need to rent a C172 and go get your 25 hours of night cross-country in order to complete your ATPL, go do it, preferably as soon as you can! I think what's ultimately holding people back is a sense of entitlement ("the TC rules are so unfair and outdated, I'll wait until they change them") or simply a lack of motivation.Canadaflyer46 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:45 amPICUS is a joke. You’re either the PIC with sole responsibility, or you’re not. The problem stopping FOs getting their ATPL is Transport’s outdated, meaningless and arbitrary requirements. For instance having to spend 25 hours as PIC ‘cross county’ at night. Not sure how helpful or relevant to their job it is having airline FOs having to rent a 172 to get those.Malfunction wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 5:19 am Will Direct entry Cpts about to come aboard, Jazz is about to become a shit show. If the company had a proper picus program its alot better to upgrade FO's who already know the company routes and how the company runs. Brace yourselves everyone.
If money's an issue, you have the option of going to the bank and applying for a line of credit, or applying for an introductory rate credit card with 0% interest for the first year. I went with the latter option, and I know many others who have done the same thing. The minute I had my ATPL sticker in my hand, I was awarded a captain position by my company and started training the subsequent month. With my pay now doubled, I was able to pay back the credit card over the next few months without ever incurring any interest.
I personally know several pilots who have been at Jazz for a number of years now, and still haven't gotten their hours for the ATPL. Frankly, it's embarrassing watching these people turn into permanent FOs because they lack the drive to complete the ATPL requirements. If you want the left seat, or if you want to go to AC, leave your sense of entitlement behind and get your hours by whatever means you need to. The incessant whining about TC is silly and ultimately irrelevant - the requirements are what they are, and it's up to you to meet them.
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Within 15 days of June 5th. So no later than June 20th.
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The CBA says that a pilot can be line checked out-of-seniority, not trained out of seniority. And in that instance it is just 1:1 bypass pay.the-minister31 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 08, 2022 4:37 amSo even if they get awarded CA quickly, I suppose it won't be effective for a few months since they need to train everyone already on property first.rudder wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 7:13 pmThat sounds more compliant.hsilgnepilot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 07, 2022 5:44 pm
The way it was explained to me was to bid captain once the standing bid re opens on Friday. It will be awarded prior to the next ground school, with an effective date after the ground school. Basically everyone is being trained as FO, and coming back for their upgrades. Maybe direct entry captain was poor wording, but it won’t take long for upgrades as it stands now.
In order to bid for any vacant position, a pilot must be active and on payroll. A pilot is on payroll effective Day 1 of groundschool. ALPA must conduct seniority draw. After that, new-hire pilots may bid for any vacancy made available by the company that any more senior qualified/not frozen pilot has not bid for.
From what I understand, if they train even just one of them out of seniority, everyone that will be awarded CA one the same equipment and base on the current bid will get bypass pay.
If they get awarded CA effective in a few months, what will those pilots do while waiting? FO?
I suppose that the company could do left seat training/PPC/line indoc but that DEC could not go on line out of seniority so I assume FO rostering until their number is up.
I guess we will all find out soon enough.
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I heard some candidates got their criminal background check and medical test done before the simeval.
How true is it?
How true is it?
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Don't know how true my case was day after sim EVAL they called and booked me for background and medical.