702 ops

[FenderManDan]

Is it possible to download the template for following:

(1) The following constitutes an application for an Aerial Work Air Operator Certificate:
(b) Maintenance Control Procedures;
(c) Company Operations Manual;
(d) Minimum Equipment List(s) (as applicable);
(e) Nomination for Company Check Pilot (as applicable); and


We are fine to write it so please no consulting offers. It would be nice to have the template with the standard content in it. There is no point reinventing the wheel. Googled it and no avail, can anyone share please.

Greatly appreciated

[MrTurbine]

I wish I could help, but I'd rather hijack instead. (I'm 704/705)
That fender pic, AWESOME! Is that a 90s strat?

[cncpc]

Is it possible to download the template for following:

(1) The following constitutes an application for an Aerial Work Air Operator Certificate:
(b) Maintenance Control Procedures;
(c) Company Operations Manual;
(d) Minimum Equipment List(s) (as applicable);
(e) Nomination for Company Check Pilot (as applicable); and


We are fine to write it so please no consulting offers. It would be nice to have the template with the standard content in it. There is no point reinventing the wheel. Googled it and no avail, can anyone share please.

Greatly appreciated

"We are fine to write it" is most often the fatal phrase in starting a carrier. If you don't know where to look for these things, then you're not fine to write it.

I don't believe they give out these Word documents anymore. People would just change the name in them and submit them and they would be rejected, and finally it became apparent that you are expected to be able to prepare your own manuals, or work with someone who actually does know how to do them. If you can't afford that, you certainly can't afford to be an air carrier.

But, this may help you. The CARS stipulate the contents of the operations manual and the maintenance control manual. The ops manual requirements can be found beginning at 702.82. Maintenance Control Manual is addressed partly in 706.8 and in the Standards at 726.08.

I don't know if you require a minimum equipment list, other than the manufacturers list for the aircraft. It depends on what type of aircraft you are flying and whether VFR or IFR.

Because 702 operations do not require a PPC, but rather a PCC, I don't think you need a "Company Check Pilot" in the sense that you need to nominate someone for approval by Transport. If you wanted to have an ACP which is Approved Check Pilot, then you do, but if you're not doing PPCs, you don't need an ACP. The Chief Pilot can do PCCs himself or herself, or designate another pilot to do them. If you did, you would normally bring someone with blanket approval under 12, 500 to do your rides.

[FenderManDan]

I wish I could help, but I'd rather hijack instead. (I'm 704/705)
That fender pic, AWESOME! Is that a 90s strat?

60's hot rod. )) That one is another thing, besides flying that puts a big smile on my face.

[FenderManDan]

Is it possible to download the template for following:

(1) The following constitutes an application for an Aerial Work Air Operator Certificate:
(b) Maintenance Control Procedures;
(c) Company Operations Manual;
(d) Minimum Equipment List(s) (as applicable);
(e) Nomination for Company Check Pilot (as applicable); and


We are fine to write it so please no consulting offers. It would be nice to have the template with the standard content in it. There is no point reinventing the wheel. Googled it and no avail, can anyone share please.

Greatly appreciated

"We are fine to write it" is most often the fatal phrase in starting a carrier. If you don't know where to look for these things, then you're not fine to write it.

I don't believe they give out these Word documents anymore. People would just change the name in them and submit them and they would be rejected, and finally it became apparent that you are expected to be able to prepare your own manuals, or work with someone who actually does know how to do them. If you can't afford that, you certainly can't afford to be an air carrier.

But, this may help you. The CARS stipulate the contents of the operations manual and the maintenance control manual. The ops manual requirements can be found beginning at 702.82. Maintenance Control Manual is addressed partly in 706.8 and in the Standards at 726.08.

I don't know if you require a minimum equipment list, other than the manufacturers list for the aircraft. It depends on what type of aircraft you are flying and whether VFR or IFR.

Because 702 operations do not require a PPC, but rather a PCC, I don't think you need a "Company Check Pilot" in the sense that you need to nominate someone for approval by Transport. If you wanted to have an ACP which is Approved Check Pilot, then you do, but if you're not doing PPCs, you don't need an ACP. The Chief Pilot can do PCCs himself or herself, or designate another pilot to do them. If you did, you would normally bring someone with blanket approval under 12, 500 to do your rides.

Thanks man and relax (writing tone sounds like the weather is getting to you). Just wanted to make it easier than writing it from scratch. My colleague and myself wrote from scratch the whole identical set of documents for compliant UAV operator. Running compliant UAV operation is like running Air Canada these days and you have to prove everything yourself to TC. Airplanes have been known to TC for some time.

What is the problem with "replacing the name" in the documents? If the previous operation is approved and all the risks are mitigated, asses covered, why waste the time? Does the slightly different paperwork make you a safer/better operator?

[mbav8r]

Speaking from experience, having prepared ops manuals, etc for a few ops one of which used a consultant they will be rejected at least twice with the changes required highlighted. The consultant was a retired TC supervisor and even his were rejected twice, each time after TC had them for 2 months or so. It's been awhile but I believe there is aircraft specific items addressed in the ops manual, certainly in the maintenance manual, also specific items unique to your operation will be included and it's not reasonable for TC to put a template for all types of operations.
Your best bet would be to find another operator of similar ops and ask if you could use theirs as a template and make the required changes. If that doesn't work a consultant will be your next best choice. I know for a fact that 702 is treated every bit as seriously as 703/704, with exception to requiring an SMS in place, you will have to include in your manual how you will deal with safety concerns, in essence a mini SMS.
Are you opening a skydive ops, aerial photography, sightseeing, line patrol, etc. How will you be fuelling, ie; your own fuel tanks, there are many variables to consider and like I said having done this in the past the minimum I would charge anyone for a 702 ops manual is 5000.00 and I have templates to work with, this is not an offer just an idea of how much work you have ahead of you! Good luck

[stopbar]

If you are looking on an online form to help you develop your aviation company's manuals, I think you need to have a very serious look at if you should even be working on the project.


Do some research and hard work it's not that hard, otherwise hire a consultant.
(not picking a fight just being realistic)

[cncpc]

I thought I had replied to yours above, but mustn't have pressed the button.

Anyways, I did talk to Transport and they do not provide ops manual templates any more. They discontinued them about 10 years ago for the reasons discussed above.

Even a 702 manual is considerably more complex than a UAV manual.

Are you going fixed wing or rotary? More than one aircraft. There is a simplified procedure for one man, one machine operations.

Be careful about consultants. I have heard some large prices being tossed around for this type of work. As MB8 says above, the fact that somebody was a TC inspector before is really neither here nor there in terms of approval, although it may facilitate things moving forward.

Manuals require authorship skills, some idea of how people learn rules and procedures and to "teach" that through the manuals, and perfect knowledge of what words meet the requirements of the CARS as they apply to your operation.

It is possible that you can get someone to give you a copy of their manual and then you can use that as a guide. Almost every manual is pirated from someone's previous work, and because the words are mandated by legislation, a lot of them ending up being very similar.

The difference between a UAV manual and a 702 manual is this. With a UAV, you are proceeding on the basis that a crash is inevitable and your manual is mostly about how you are going to crash. A 702 manual is about a number of things, which combined are about how you are going to avoid crashing.

If you get a consultant, start out with someone you can sit down with without taking an airplane flight. i.e. close to you.

Good luck.

[cncpc]

If you are looking on an online form to help you develop your aviation company's manuals, I think you need to have a very serious look at if you should even be working on the project.


Do some research and hard work it's not that hard, otherwise hire a consultant.
(not picking a fight just being realistic)

If the "online form" is the section of the CARS that mandates the contents of an ops manual, then one should surely be looking at that. About every hour as you go along.
Otherwise, good advice.