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 Post subject: Discrimination ?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 8:37 am 
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Hi everybody,

I'm starting a survey to see if the major airlines are systematically turning down pilots at a certain age. Depending on the result and conclusion. It just might end up to the labor board.

For emple, I'm 53 with a good background multi, jet etc... and was turn down by, Jazz, westjet, sky regional. Even in this period of huge demand.

I think that our experience is a plus for those company. In the past couple of months one of these company is hireing young guys in there 20's with less then 1000 hours and no real IFR experience and not selecting pilots with thousands of hours that are older. They won't mention that age is the reason. It would be discrimination. So, this is why this survey comes in place.

Thank to all of you.



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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While I can't comment on your specific situation, I know of new hires in their 50s at most of those carriers.

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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Spelling hiring correct is a start... also maybe you come off cocky like they need your experience which is a good reason not to hire you. Maybe a look in the mirror instead of a witch hunt is due.


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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
PostPosted: Tue Jun 20, 2017 10:53 pm 
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Copilot20 wrote:
young guys in there 20's with less then 1000 hours and no real IFR experience



Not really.



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Can you be SIC to one of those 20 something dudes with no real ifr experience? Your post seems to reflect what your answer would be. Maybe your resume does too, and you are not aware...


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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Not too sure about age, could just be you didn't vibe with them in the interview or something?

However there are some companies like wasaya who are openly racist in their hiring practices.

That's about all I can think of as fas as discrimination



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Did we just meet NickyNick's dad?


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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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I have worked for various airlines in Canada. I can attest pilots of all ages and background have been hired at various places. Experience is just one of the many factors an airline looks at before hiring a pilot.


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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Speaking just about Sky Regional they have hired pilots recently in there 50's and one in his early 60's. So it wasn't your age that didn't get you hired.

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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Copilot20 wrote:
Hi everybody,

I'm starting a survey to see if the major airlines are systematically turning down pilots at a certain age. Depending on the result and conclusion. It just might end up to the labor board.

For emple, I'm 53 with a good background multi, jet etc... and was turn down by, Jazz, westjet, sky regional. Even in this period of huge demand.

I think that our experience is a plus for those company. In the past couple of months one of these company is hireing young guys in there 20's with less then 1000 hours and no real IFR experience and not selecting pilots with thousands of hours that are older. They won't mention that age is the reason. It would be discrimination. So, this is why this survey comes in place.

Thank to all of you.


Just curious, what do you consider "real IFR" experience? Would a pilot who cut their teeth up north flying a PC12 or Navajo in IMC not be a "real IFR" pilot to you?



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:24 am 
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Copilot20 what is your experience exactly, you were pretty vague about that.

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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
PostPosted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 11:31 am 
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Sky Regional hired guys of all ages including 50's and 60's that's for sure. I also had guys in their late 40's or 50's in my class at WJ. No smoke here.


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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Just a slight input on why Skyregional hired older guys; They happened to have a huge need for direct entry left seaters at one time, and the majority were already doing the same job elsewhere but were forced back into, or chose to re enter, the market.

As far as age discrimination is concerned, I would say that it exists, I've seen it, but at the end of the day, hiring is a package deal with a rather large dose of subjectivity mixed in the equation. Everyone is looking for a different magic sauce.


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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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lownslow wrote:
Did we just meet NickyNick's dad?

Best post of the year :prayer:



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Referencing Sky Regional I wasn't talking about the hiring for the initial 15 Embraers, I was talking about the last 6 months to a year.

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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Copilot20 wrote:

For emple,

and was turn down by

experience is a plus for those company.

of these company is hireing young guys

in there 20's with



I hope you didn't make spelling mistakes like this in your Cover letter...it would certainly paint you in a very poor light if you did. You might have already lost the position, before you showed up.


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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
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Those sound like direct french to english translations tp. Not making excuses, mais c'est possible.

I hear stories pretty regularly of high time pfo's all over. They're desperate for pilots...but not that desperate apparently.



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 4:50 pm 
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twinpratts wrote:
Copilot20 wrote:

For emple,

and was turn down by

experience is a plus for those company.

of these company is hireing young guys

in there 20's with



I hope you didn't make spelling mistakes like this in your Cover letter...it would certainly paint you in a very poor light if you did. You might have already lost the position, before you showed up.


No offence, but the original post had many more spelling and grammatical errors that this. Apologies, if English is not your first language, though.



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 5:34 pm 
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Copilot20 wrote:
Hi everybody,

I'm starting a survey to see if the major airlines are systematically turning down pilots at a certain age. Depending on the result and conclusion. It just might end up to the labor board.

For emple, I'm 53 with a good background multi, jet etc... and was turn down by, Jazz, westjet, sky regional. Even in this period of huge demand.

I think that our experience is a plus for those company. In the past couple of months one of these company is hireing young guys in there 20's with less then 1000 hours and no real IFR experience and not selecting pilots with thousands of hours that are older. They won't mention that age is the reason. It would be discrimination. So, this is why this survey comes in place.

Thank to all of you.


Hey co-pilot,

I am doing initial training now for WestJet which unfortunately for you has a gentlemen that is mid-late fifties with loads of time. I'd say that if your being turned down, it has more to do with how you interview.

You will have a very difficult time proving this case to the labour board.



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
PostPosted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 6:08 pm 
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From my perspective, hiring a 50-something would be ideal at a regional carrier. They need people to stay so if you didn't get hired, there is more going on than discrimination. Perhaps doing some interview prep or recording yourself answering HR-type questions will give you some insight into what is going on.

Best of luck moving forward.



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 Post subject: Re: Discrimination ?
PostPosted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 1:09 pm 
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Speaking (typing?) as a twenty-something who is employed by one of the airlines you mentioned, I am paired in sim with a fifty-something recent hire, so I definitely don't think age was your issue.


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