ramp people unite!! stupid things pilots do!!!

Jet A · Post by **Jet A** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:08 am

hmm high power runups in snow then expect to go straight with a frozen main

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:23 am

hhmmm stupidest things pilots do....call line crew to come service our aircraft.

lot more pilots then line crewon this site.....most line crew on here are pilots anyway....good luck

Jet A · Post by **Jet A** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:25 am

1. engine plugs in and started engine, failed to remove, blames ground crew!! and have seen some (pilots) remove them with engines running

2. starting engines with fuel truck in front or fueller still fuelling on the wing!!!

3. blaming ground crew for a sudden shift in w/b to put tail on ground resulting in damage and then fly away with bent strakes!!

4. taxi a/c with every possible light on and blinding ramp guy, then pilot wonders why guy leaves the scene!! duh!!!

5. pulls up to an FBO expects the world and every possible service. but NEVER call ahead

6. QTA means quick turn around!! NOT I need my fuel now and ill wait a few hours but hey i got my fuel!! there are other people besides you in a hurry as well and we just delayed someone else for your behalf

7.using FBO facilities to the maximum and not taking fuel or other services. EVER wonder how an FBO operates and pays rampies to put up with @#$%^ from pilots

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:29 am

hhhmmm Shell or Esso.......I feel my buisness going to YEG very soon

Jet A · Post by **Jet A** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:44 am

YOU SAID!!I feel my buisness going to YEG very soon

yes if edmonton airports has their way!! Integra air on friday!!

BTW, were not try to bash personally here!!

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:01 pm

ok we're friends again

tlux · Post by **tlux** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:56 pm

It is sooo obvious which pilots have worked ramp and which ones got their bananas from being a circuit queen.

Pilots who have never had any ramp experience what so ever show it by their "weapon" actions as soon as they leave the runway.

I ramped for three years before I got my break, and I am damn proud of it. I consider myself very lucky because I use those skills I learned on the ramp every day in the "real" flying world.

Yes I was one of those tanker drivers who left an aircraft because they called wolf too many times re a Q/T.

Dear colleagues, remember one thing, the backbone of this industry is the guys on the ground.

"Ricky's brain doesn't work like everyone else's, it can only handle one thought at a time....throw two or three at him, and then you have a fu@kin train wreck" - Bubbles

tlux · Post by **tlux** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 12:59 pm

By the way....CYXD Fuel Guys - Amen. Could not have said it better myself.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:13 pm

-Book aircraft for 0900 departure on a -20 morning and expect it to be heated and ready at 1020 after the ground brief.

-Finish eating chips or whatever and proceed to lick the GPS suction cup to stick to the inside windscreen...GROSS!

-Leave the AC 300yds from the hangar on an icy ramp when they know that the ramp guys have to hand-pull them away for the night.

-Expect their wives to remain faithful to them when away on a 7 day trip when Rampie has the good stuff every night

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:19 pm

I worked the ramp for 4 years while I was in flight school and. I fully respect the guys out there and put out 110%. But I have worked with the type who sit around all day and crap on Pilots. Yes we as Pilots make mistakes. We as ground crew make mistakes. Either of our Jobs would be non-existent if it weren't for the other. I've worked with too many guys and who sit the the line office and and say "f-em...they can get their own chocks" "they can wait for fuel....just snotty pilots"

Mind you there are lots of good linecrew out there. Guys who'd put the red carpet down if it was a G5 or a 172. I even showed up at a FBO after 3 weeks in the bush and they put red carpet out for a 206 and brought out a thermos of coffee for me.

hazatude · Post by **hazatude** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 1:31 pm

3 weeks in the bush they should have brought out the latest issue of Hustler

Lommer · Post by **Lommer** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:33 pm

heh where to start - personally the thing I hate the most is when a pilot gets all the pax and bags on an aircraft and closes up the door so you go to the front and stand there ready to marshall him out. Sure enough the guy jumps into his seat... then pulls out his cell phone to file his flight plan, leaving you standing around on the tarmac for 15 mins (possibly in freezing/raining/generally shitty weather). Then they bitch when you walk away

just another pilot · Post by **just another pilot** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 3:49 pm

Well, in our defense (pilots) we are caught off guard by the pax and are ammending said flight plan.

H · Post by H » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:27 pm

....paying for training/PPCs, working for Jetsgo, to name a couple.....

. ._ · Post by **. ._** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:31 pm

Can't we all just get along?

-istp

CREW2 · Post by **CREW2** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 4:57 pm

Way to go tlux
Thanks for comments
nice to know that are some pilots out there that do remember what the ramp is all about.

I really think it is a real eye opener to new guys and great learning experience after getting out the flt school environment and/or the "stars in the eyes" or the OOOOO that's so neat when they see a bigger a/c than a 152.

Av100LL · Post by **Av100LL** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 6:05 pm

Another Favorite.

Not Ordering your Fuel, starting up, taxiing off, returning and having to sit around and wait to get fueled.

AEROMONKEY · Post by **AEROMONKEY** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 9:53 pm

wow where to start.....Pilots that change their fuel load when you're halfway through fueling....

pilots that call for fuel 2 minutes before dep then start loading while you are fueling.....

pilots that insist on running up the engine of their plane when they know damn well your fueling right behind their plane....

pilots that call for fuel say they're in a hurry and when you get there the plane is still in the hangar!..

pilots that insist on crankin up the engine when you're tryin to unplug the GPU

and the one thing that makes every fueler extremely happy.....(sarcasm)
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only fuelers and certain pilots will appreciate this one.......
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Mains-Outers and 240 per tip

Blue_Rider · Post by **Blue_Rider** » Mon Oct 17, 2005 11:08 pm

-students or rental pilots parking with 3/4 of fuel left or more beside a fixed fuel pump on a busy day.

- leaving full flaps down, no parking brake and the a/c unattended after a walkaround when it's 20 gusting 30

- student or rental pilots asking for fuel and oil when they haven't even checked the a/c

- pilots asking the rampie for a weather briefing

Nightshiftzombie · Post by **Nightshiftzombie** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 12:51 am

My personal beef is the guys that park right in front of the hanger doors, so you have to move their A/C out of the way before you can shuffle any of the other airplanes in or out.

tlux · Post by **tlux** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 5:35 am

I still quiver at hearing an MU-2 on frequency, inbound on a quick turn, knowing that they will want full in's, out's, and 240 / tip w additive as the aircraft is parked on an inclined ramp.....just asking for a fuel spill.

Yes R22captain, there are just as many rampies that Fu@k-the-dog as there are good ones. I agree with you on that one.

r22captain · Post by **r22captain** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 6:52 am

tlux wrote:Yes R22captain, there are just as many rampies that Fu@k-the-dog as there are good ones. I agree with you on that one.

I'm glaad we're friends again...no hard feelings?

FREEFALL · Post by **FREEFALL** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:22 am

Just remember that lots of pilots used to be rampies.

Busted · Post by **Busted** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:33 am

Hey are we going to add FSS to this conversation, or should we just start another thread for them. Hmmm
Looks like I see one with comments eh.... lol F*&^ the dog again at work eh.... FF lol

see ya next week.

Sulako · Post by **Sulako** » Tue Oct 18, 2005 8:52 am

I always apologized to the rampies when we pulled in and got mains, outers and 240 per tip

That was a standard medevac fuel load for one of the MU-2's I flew.

For those of you who don't know, in the MU-2 you have to do the following little dance in order to fill that particular load:

fill one main, then go to the other side and fill the other main. Then fill an outer tank, then go to the other side and fill the other outer tank. Then go to a tiptank and fill 170L, then go to the other tiptank and fill the 240L, then go back to the first tiptank and fill the remaining 70L. If you tried to fill straight across or something, the plane would tip over, so you had to really be on your toes whilst filling it.

That's a total of 7 fills on 6 seperate fuel tanks, all above the wings so you need a stepladder for all of 'em

An additional fun part was that the tiptanks are pressurized, so if the unwary fueller didn't slowly and carefully let the pressure out of the tank before popping the cap, the cap would fly skyward at a great rate of speed, usually soaking everyone nearby in a delicious jet-A mist.

Some of the ones who were familiar with our planes would even bring out buckets to put under the fuel vents, as one of the main signs the fuel system is working in an MU-2 is that we were constantly leaking, errr...venting, fuel.

And I'm not even getting into the noise, oh, the glorious howl...like being buried alive, with Garretts for shovels and sound pressure for dirt. I posted on here a couple of years ago, one of my career highlights was making a couple of small children literally weep due to the noise of the MU-2 at idle.

But even after all the crazy stuff involved in fuelling and flying them, I did love the Rice Rocket. I think that for all pilots, getting your ATPL should be conditional on passing a checkride in the MU-2! You'll come out of it with a fairly honest (read: completely brutal) assessment of your flying skills. And getting your fuellers ticket should be conditional on doing the full-meal deal on the MU-2 without having a tiptank hit the ground

ramp people unite!! stupid things pilots do!!!

ramp people unite!! stupid things pilots do!!!

stupid things pilots do

hmm lots to say