Atlas Air 767 from Miami to Houston has crashed into Trinity Bay near Anahuac, Texas
https://twitter.com/FAANews/status/1099399252554534912
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/23/atlas-a ... board.html
Atlas Air 767
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A tragic story...
But it brings out the nutbars on Twitter!
I think this guy has it figured out!
But it brings out the nutbars on Twitter!
I think this guy has it figured out!
https://mobile.twitter.com/StoneMa75807331
Translation:
Texas officials have three body's of people who are important in some "special" way, but were killed yesterday, are dead now.
Last night, operatives sprang into action with Air-Crane helicopters and retrieved a reasonable facsimile of a 767 from California Desert.
Overnight, Government terror operatives scrambled to spread the fake Wreckage around the prescribed area. Bits & pieces of a jet scattered. Air-Traffic control terror operatives from DHS were used to provide false flight path, and W. Bush Airport Op's provided false flight plan.
4:17 PM · Feb 23, 2019 · Twitter Web Client
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Now, there is a wrecked airplane and 3 dead operatives will be placed in the wreckage. Watch for news about surprise passengers associated with Trumps "Wall Emergency" to be released later. There will likely be reports of "Alien MS13 Honduran, murdering child molesters" onboard.
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Not trying to speculate at all, but there were/are TSRA forecast all along that area today.
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What....did I just read.NotDirty! wrote: ↑Sat Feb 23, 2019 2:23 pm A tragic story...
But it brings out the nutbars on Twitter!
I think this guy has it figured out!https://mobile.twitter.com/StoneMa75807331
Translation:
Texas officials have three body's of people who are important in some "special" way, but were killed yesterday, are dead now.
Last night, operatives sprang into action with Air-Crane helicopters and retrieved a reasonable facsimile of a 767 from California Desert.
Overnight, Government terror operatives scrambled to spread the fake Wreckage around the prescribed area. Bits & pieces of a jet scattered. Air-Traffic control terror operatives from DHS were used to provide false flight path, and W. Bush Airport Op's provided false flight plan.
4:17 PM · Feb 23, 2019 · Twitter Web Client
StoneMan
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1m
Replying to
@StoneMa75807331
and
@FAANews
Now, there is a wrecked airplane and 3 dead operatives will be placed in the wreckage. Watch for news about surprise passengers associated with Trumps "Wall Emergency" to be released later. There will likely be reports of "Alien MS13 Honduran, murdering child molesters" onboard.
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The comments at the bottom of this are also something else.
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A strange end to what appears to have been a perfectly normal flight.
My starting point for speculation on this tragedy is the FAA’s Airworthiness Directives for the B767. With a particular focus on those summaries that end with “could lead to a loss of control “. My find so far is the surprising number of ADs that actually have that statement in their summary.
The area in question where they went down might have been the beginning of a configuration change for landing. Some wing and flight control ADs could support the “loss of control” suggested in those ADs as last minute descent rates might also support.
I’m simply speculating like others. It will take months to get to the final answer as to what happened.
Thoughts and prayers for the imperiled crew and their families.
Another sad day in aviation.
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My starting point for speculation on this tragedy is the FAA’s Airworthiness Directives for the B767. With a particular focus on those summaries that end with “could lead to a loss of control “. My find so far is the surprising number of ADs that actually have that statement in their summary.
The area in question where they went down might have been the beginning of a configuration change for landing. Some wing and flight control ADs could support the “loss of control” suggested in those ADs as last minute descent rates might also support.
I’m simply speculating like others. It will take months to get to the final answer as to what happened.
Thoughts and prayers for the imperiled crew and their families.
Another sad day in aviation.
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Speculate: Sudden in-flight structural failure due to severe turbulence.
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"And from the NTSB the debris field is about 200x100 yards."
Your speculation is likely incorrect.
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I was told from a source that I know, this B767 was an ex Canadian Airlines International aircraft that was delivered to them in 1991. This source worked at CAI maintenance so I assume the info is valid, not that it is of any concern to the cause of the sad accident.
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Guys, I dunno wtf you’re talking about but please do it in another forum/thread.tsgas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:25 amWhen you are a billionaire and control an organization called the New World Order , you have many of the World leaders in your back pocket. Here in Canada , he has the boy wonder Justine , under his influence.
These people want to do away with borders , the conventional family , and certainly religion in order to have absolute control over people's lives. He is one of the main people behind the money scam called Carbon Tax.
On track...
767 drivers, does a stab trim runaway sound plausible? I’m assuming there’s a push off for such a scenario?
Look, it's f***in Patrick Swayze and Reveen!
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https://www.airfleets.net/ficheapp/plane-b767-25865.htmOld fella wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 8:04 am I was told from a source that I know, this B767 was an ex Canadian Airlines International aircraft that was delivered to them in 1991. This source worked at CAI maintenance so I assume the info is valid, not that it is of any concern to the cause of the sad accident.
History of the airframe.
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Gear Jerker wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:41 amGuys, I dunno wtf you’re talking about but please do it in another forum/thread.tsgas wrote: ↑Mon Feb 25, 2019 10:25 amWhen you are a billionaire and control an organization called the New World Order , you have many of the World leaders in your back pocket. Here in Canada , he has the boy wonder Justine , under his influence.
These people want to do away with borders , the conventional family , and certainly religion in order to have absolute control over people's lives. He is one of the main people behind the money scam called Carbon Tax.
On track...
767 drivers, does a stab trim runaway sound plausible? I’m assuming there’s a push off for such a scenario?
Non–normal Operation
If a single autopilot is engaged, electric trimming causes the autopilot to
disengage. If multiple autopilots are engaged, the electric trim switches are
inhibited. Alternate trimming does not cause autopilot disengagement.
The UNSCHED STAB TRIM light illuminates and the EICAS caution message
UNSCHD STAB TRIM displays when uncommanded stabilizer motion is
detected.
The light and message also occur if alternate trim is used with an autopilot
engaged.
The left and center stabilizer cutout switches control hydraulic power to the
respective stabilizer trim control module. Placing both switches in the CUTOUT
position removes all hydraulic power from the stabilizer.
The control column can be used to interrupt stabilizer trim commands. This
feature allows the pilot to quickly stop uncommanded trim changes. The stabilizer
trim commands are interrupted if the control column is displaced in the opposing
direction.
The STAB TRIM light illuminates and the EICAS advisory message
STAB TRIM displays when the electric stabilizer trim rate is one–half the normal
control wheel stabilizer trim switch rate.
If the malfunction is unique to the electric trim control, full trim rate is available
by using alternate trim.
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Reminds me a bit of the Rudder hard over issues of the 737 years ago....will be interesting to see what the FDR says
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Wow, anyone go the thinks the speculation here is wild go check out that link.
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FDR and CVR have been recovered. Stay tuned.
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Source; AVHERALD,
“On Mar 5th 2019 the NTSB reported the download of the CVR was successfully completed, the last portion of the accident flight is available on the 2 hours' recording, the quality of the recording however is poor and it was difficult to determine what was being said, occasionally required advanced filter techniques. The aircraft was being vectored for an approach to Houston Intercontinental's airport's runway 26L. The NTSB stated: "Crew communications consistent with a loss control of the aircraft began approximately 18 seconds prior to the end of the recording." The FDR was also successfully read out, 54 hours of flight data spanning 17 flights were downloaded. The recorder stores about 350 parameters. The investigators are currently verifying and validating the FDR data. A transcript of the CVR is estimated to be compiled during the next week (Mar 11th and following).”
“On Mar 5th 2019 the NTSB reported the download of the CVR was successfully completed, the last portion of the accident flight is available on the 2 hours' recording, the quality of the recording however is poor and it was difficult to determine what was being said, occasionally required advanced filter techniques. The aircraft was being vectored for an approach to Houston Intercontinental's airport's runway 26L. The NTSB stated: "Crew communications consistent with a loss control of the aircraft began approximately 18 seconds prior to the end of the recording." The FDR was also successfully read out, 54 hours of flight data spanning 17 flights were downloaded. The recorder stores about 350 parameters. The investigators are currently verifying and validating the FDR data. A transcript of the CVR is estimated to be compiled during the next week (Mar 11th and following).”
"Stand-by, I'm inverted"
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From NTSB, released today:
About 12:38, the controller informed the pilots that they would be past the area of weather in about 18 miles, that they could expect a turn to the north for a base leg to the approach to runway 26L, and that weather was clear west of the precipitation area. The pilots responded, “sounds good” and “ok.” At this time, radar and ADS-B returns indicated the airplane levelled briefly at 6,200 ft and then began a slight climb to 6,300 ft.
Also, about this time, the FDR data indicated that some small vertical accelerations consistent with the airplane entering turbulence. Shortly after, when the airplane’s indicated airspeed was steady about 230 knots, the engines increased to maximum thrust, and the airplane pitch increased to about 4° nose up and then rapidly pitched nose down to about 49° in response to column input. The stall warning (stick shaker) did not activate.
FDR, radar, and ADS-B data indicated that the airplane entered a rapid descent on a heading of 270°, reaching an airspeed of about 430 knots. A security camera video (figure 4) captured the airplane in a steep, generally wings-level attitude until impact with the swamp. FDR data indicated that the airplane gradually pitched up to about 20 degrees nose down during the descent.
About 12:38, the controller informed the pilots that they would be past the area of weather in about 18 miles, that they could expect a turn to the north for a base leg to the approach to runway 26L, and that weather was clear west of the precipitation area. The pilots responded, “sounds good” and “ok.” At this time, radar and ADS-B returns indicated the airplane levelled briefly at 6,200 ft and then began a slight climb to 6,300 ft.
Also, about this time, the FDR data indicated that some small vertical accelerations consistent with the airplane entering turbulence. Shortly after, when the airplane’s indicated airspeed was steady about 230 knots, the engines increased to maximum thrust, and the airplane pitch increased to about 4° nose up and then rapidly pitched nose down to about 49° in response to column input. The stall warning (stick shaker) did not activate.
FDR, radar, and ADS-B data indicated that the airplane entered a rapid descent on a heading of 270°, reaching an airspeed of about 430 knots. A security camera video (figure 4) captured the airplane in a steep, generally wings-level attitude until impact with the swamp. FDR data indicated that the airplane gradually pitched up to about 20 degrees nose down during the descent.
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LETUN wrote: ↑Tue Mar 12, 2019 8:48 am From NTSB, released today:
About 12:38, the controller informed the pilots that they would be past the area of weather in about 18 miles, that they could expect a turn to the north for a base leg to the approach to runway 26L, and that weather was clear west of the precipitation area. The pilots responded, “sounds good” and “ok.” At this time, radar and ADS-B returns indicated the airplane levelled briefly at 6,200 ft and then began a slight climb to 6,300 ft.
Also, about this time, the FDR data indicated that some small vertical accelerations consistent with the airplane entering turbulence. Shortly after, when the airplane’s indicated airspeed was steady about 230 knots, the engines increased to maximum thrust, and the airplane pitch increased to about 4° nose up and then rapidly pitched nose down to about 49° in response to column input. (NTSB corrected their statement to reflect,” in response to elevator deflection”) The stall warning (stick shaker) did not activate.
FDR, radar, and ADS-B data indicated that the airplane entered a rapid descent on a heading of 270°, reaching an airspeed of about 430 knots. A security camera video (figure 4) captured the airplane in a steep, generally wings-level attitude until impact with the swamp. FDR data indicated that the airplane gradually pitched up to about 20 degrees nose down during the descent.
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Can I get everyone's thoughts now that this has been released. I'm having a hard time with this one; wings level, max thrust and all. I'm finding myself drawing conclusions that I would rather not think about.
