Swoop CRM Class Shutdown by Police

[scabbydoo]

In keeping with Swoop's standard approach to safety, managers feel that the rules don't apply to them in the name of "best practice" since they're an "essential service". Apparently the Halton Regional Police disagree and shut them down mid-class for disregarding social distancing and isolation requirements.

[dialdriver]

From Westjet's website: "Our values are reflected in everything we do"

[CL-Skadoo!]

Were they were watching a bootlegged copy of American Airlines' "Children of the Magenta" when the cops busted in?

[flyinhigh]

Someone seriously was pissed they had CRM..

[mbav8r]

Someone seriously was pissed they had CRM..

I was thinking that, someone in that class obviously reported the non compliance.

[Daniel Cooper]

Is it Westjetty to drop a dime on your colleagues at your ULCC division?

[dialdriver]

Is it Westjetty to drop a dime on your colleagues at your ULCC division?

From Westjet's website: "Our values are reflected in everything we do"

[digits_]

It sounds funny, agreed, but weren't airlines considered essential services? How are people getting home if there are no airlines flying around?

[mbav8r]

It sounds funny, agreed, but weren't airlines considered essential services? How are people getting home if there are no airlines flying around?

If we don’t have our annual CRM, are the planes going to start falling from the sky?
Jazz has made adjustments to class size so that we can have the physical separation recommended by the health advisories. Where possible companies should be doing this, obviously some situations won’t allow it but for CRM, seems ridiculous to cram people in for that(No idea how many where there).

[doiwannabeapilot]

what is this "drop a dime" ?

I Applepay everything.
and where i am dropping said dime? (that's like a baby quarter or something right ?)
kidding....the first time I had to use an Apple product was because the Corporation made me.
.
but really, "drop a dime" ?

[digits_]

It sounds funny, agreed, but weren't airlines considered essential services? How are people getting home if there are no airlines flying around?

If we don’t have our annual CRM, are the planes going to start falling from the sky?

Unless the regulator approves exemptions, I don't think it is fair to fault an airline for following the approved training schedule.

I agree with your remarks about the class size and distances, but there doesn't seem to be enough detailed info to properly judge that.

[jpilot77]

AC postponed all CRM classes.

[Squid]

True digits. Exempt and yeah the regulator should be the ones granting exemptions or extensions but they aren’t. Cops obviously didn’t know they were exempt either nor did the wizard that called them.

[shimmydampner]

It sounds funny, agreed, but weren't airlines considered essential services? How are people getting home if there are no airlines flying around?

If we don’t have our annual CRM, are the planes going to start falling from the sky?

Unless the regulator approves exemptions, I don't think it is fair to fault an airline for following the approved training schedule.

I agree with your remarks about the class size and distances, but there doesn't seem to be enough detailed info to properly judge that.

Really? At a time when people are supposed to avoid large groups due to a highly communicable virus running rampant, killing thousands and destroying the world economy, the geniuses at Swoop can't come up with ANY alternatives to the traditional classroom setting for a stupid CRM course? While every other business is either canceling meetings/training or conducting it via Skype or similar, they can't think of ANY POSSIBLE ALTERNATIVES? Well, I guess that's the kind of judgement and imaginative leadership that gets the cops called on you.

[Squid]

So how many were in the class? How far apart were they? Swoop ain’t that big. Maybe Tc should finally step up to the plate? More than one dance partner here and I do know Tc isn’t granting extensions or offering approved video crm. Sure you can cancel the course but then your peeps expire. And if you are still flying them well. You get the picture.

[NotDirty!]

More than one dance partner here and I do know Tc isn’t granting extensions or offering approved video crm.

I call BS! TC has given extensions for way worse reasons in the past! Maybe they aren’t issuing blanket extensions like they have for medicals, but I would be shocked if they didn’t approve individual requests for extensions.

[digits_]

Let's put it this way: would an airline be spending money on anything these days unless it was absolutely necessary?

Or was it a rogue instructor organizing a class to make some extra money before the inevitable layoffs?

[Squid]

More than one dance partner here and I do know Tc isn’t granting extensions or offering approved video crm.

I call BS! TC has given extensions for way worse reasons in the past! Maybe they aren’t issuing blanket extensions like they have for medicals, but I would be shocked if they didn’t approve individual requests for extensions.

Well be shocked then.

[godsrcrazy]

First let me say i believe re current training can be held off for a period of time. Especially for those whom have done the same training couple of times.

I do find it funny however that someone is pissed about sitting in a class room. Not sure if they were separated or not. However in a Q400 Pilots sit less then 3 feet apart. If you made every passenger sit at the Window the FA would still be within 3 feet of passengers. Maybe someone can tell me the difference.

[Zanzibar]

Sure it's not fake news? Sounds made up.

[shimmydampner]

However in a Q400 Pilots sit less then 3 feet apart. If you made every passenger sit at the Window the FA would still be within 3 feet of passengers. Maybe someone can tell me the difference.

Easy. The flight is the essential service part of the equation. If TC can approve medical and PPC extensions surely they can do the same for CRM. Or approve doing it via skype. Forcing an operator to do it in a group setting is unnecessarily risky as it relates to the spread of covid19, especially for something as non-essential as CRM.

[CaptainHaddock]

The very fact Swoop is still even running is crazy. WestJet is down to 57 aircraft (30 of them Q400’s), burning through millions of $’s a day-but can still find cash to blow on Swoop. Your telling me there is enough capacity to run a WJ 700 (800’s are parked) between YYZ-YVR AND a Swoop 800 between YHM-YXX? Each plane with like 20-30 peeps on board max, burning through 5-6000lbs an hour. WestJet is running a mirror airline on top of it’s own now, all domestic, all the airports are the same or within 50 k of each other. Pretty hypocritical all the hand wringing to the 7000 employees layed off when Swoop’s still going. Most Junior FA’s at WJ is 2009 hire date now. Rant over

[AOW]

More than one dance partner here and I do know Tc isn’t granting extensions or offering approved video crm.

I call BS! TC has given extensions for way worse reasons in the past! Maybe they aren’t issuing blanket extensions like they have for medicals, but I would be shocked if they didn’t approve individual requests for extensions.

Well be shocked then.

My company succeeded in getting extensions on annual recurrent training for everyone due today (including myself). They were able to justify that the present situation was reason enough to postpone the classroom portion, perhaps including that we had all completed or would complete by the deadline, the online LMS training. I have seen TC approve similar requests at my previous company, simply due to instructor shortages or scheduling conflicts, so I too am surprised that TC would deny Swoop’s request.

[Oxi]

Can we get some actual info on the Swoop CRM class?

[goldeneagle]

The very fact Swoop is still even running is crazy.

The ownership group is making it clear where the priorities are....