Well of course not. Ryanair is better than Jazz when it comes to some things (Pay, destinations, type of aircraft) but that doesn't mean working at Ryanair is actually good.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:49 am Jazz FO schedule for July
https://i.imgur.com/iNiC6sM.png
Encore CPT schedule for July
https://i.imgur.com/D9YiDpY.png
Sure, I'm comparing apples to bananas, but I'd much rather a set schedule for the month than reserve on top of reserve stacked on reserve.
Looks like Jazz isn't best at everything.
Best guess when recalls could happen
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I guess at this point, it comes down to where one is happy.Julian.B wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:52 amWell of course not. Ryanair is better than Jazz when it comes to some things (Pay, destinations, type of aircraft) but that doesn't mean working at Ryanair is actually good.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:49 am Jazz FO schedule for July
https://i.imgur.com/iNiC6sM.png
Encore CPT schedule for July
https://i.imgur.com/D9YiDpY.png
Sure, I'm comparing apples to bananas, but I'd much rather a set schedule for the month than reserve on top of reserve stacked on reserve.
Looks like Jazz isn't best at everything.
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As someone who spent many years at Jazz and over a decade at Westjet, you cannot compare Encore to Jazz.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:06 pmI guess at this point, it comes down to where one is happy.Julian.B wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:52 amWell of course not. Ryanair is better than Jazz when it comes to some things (Pay, destinations, type of aircraft) but that doesn't mean working at Ryanair is actually good.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:49 am Jazz FO schedule for July
https://i.imgur.com/iNiC6sM.png
Encore CPT schedule for July
https://i.imgur.com/D9YiDpY.png
Sure, I'm comparing apples to bananas, but I'd much rather a set schedule for the month than reserve on top of reserve stacked on reserve.
Looks like Jazz isn't best at everything.
Schedule and pay rates are just small parts of an airlines WAWCON’s. It would be more fair to compare Jazz to Westjet mainline.
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I have never heard of pilot pay or WAWCON based on age of fleet.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:49 am
Looks like Jazz isn't best at everything.
Average fleet age at Jazz, 14 years.
Average fleet age at Encore, 5.7 years.
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I don't understand. WAWCON stands for wages and working conditions. What else can we quantifiably measure?YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:25 pmAs someone who spent many years at Jazz and over a decade at Westjet, you cannot compare Encore to Jazz.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:06 pmI guess at this point, it comes down to where one is happy.
Schedule and pay rates are just small parts of an airlines WAWCON’s. It would be more fair to compare Jazz to Westjet mainline.
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This is misleading. Got jobs, yes. Equipment protection, not really. At least as soon as the recall class on Monday the 5th, from Julie's mouth: "As soon as the next equipment bid, which will hopefully be in August, it is highly unlikely you will be able to hold the Embraer." This is in reference to current FOs on the 175 from Sky coming over, obviously.
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But didn't you know that Jazz is better than everywhere else just because?straight2thepoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:27 pmThis is misleading. Got jobs, yes. Equipment protection, not really. At least as soon as the recall class on Monday the 5th, from Julie's mouth: "As soon as the next equipment bid, which will hopefully be in August, it is highly unlikely you will be able to hold the Embraer." This is in reference to current FOs on the 175 from Sky coming over, obviously.
It's like how people who go to Western think that their schooling is better than everyone else's.
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I'm not sure who "Julie" is. Manager? Well that's good. At least Jazz pilots can bid on the Embraer. None the less; the fact that Sky Regional were hired at Jazz as DOH and with no interview is amazing by itself. It really sets a great example, although completly misplaced. It's like winning a war and telling your enemies they can join your army and have dibs on ranks above your own soldiers. Pretty crappy situation. I am willing to bet a left nut that if that ever went to a vote, it would have never been approved by Jazz pilots. Their union sold them out. Pure and simple. Everything else is circumstantial.straight2thepoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:27 pmThis is misleading. Got jobs, yes. Equipment protection, not really. At least as soon as the recall class on Monday the 5th, from Julie's mouth: "As soon as the next equipment bid, which will hopefully be in August, it is highly unlikely you will be able to hold the Embraer." This is in reference to current FOs on the 175 from Sky coming over, obviously.
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I don’t care how old my plane is at Jazz. It’s probably older than you are.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 11:49 am Jazz FO schedule for July
https://i.imgur.com/iNiC6sM.png
Encore CPT schedule for July
https://i.imgur.com/D9YiDpY.png
Sure, I'm comparing apples to bananas, but I'd much rather a set schedule for the month than reserve on top of reserve stacked on reserve.
Looks like Jazz isn't best at everything.
Average fleet age at Jazz, 14 years.
Average fleet age at Encore, 5.7 years.
If Jazz wants to pay me 11-12k a month to work 2-3 days on reserve, I’m not going to complain.
Let’s Go Brandon
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Well my whole point was there’s many other things to look at then just pay and schedule and that’s not to say Encore is even better at those. Heck I flew more on the 37 then I did at Jazz. But other very important things to consider are health/dental which is 1000x better at Jazz than any of the WJ group and retirement savings plans. You may not think so but wait till your get in you later years and have children.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:05 pmI don't understand. WAWCON stands for wages and working conditions. What else can we quantifiably measure?YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:25 pmAs someone who spent many years at Jazz and over a decade at Westjet, you cannot compare Encore to Jazz.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 12:06 pm
I guess at this point, it comes down to where one is happy.
Schedule and pay rates are just small parts of an airlines WAWCON’s. It would be more fair to compare Jazz to Westjet mainline.
Literally the only advantages Encore has is reserve, aircraft age(lol doesn’t matter) and no interview if you want to go to mainline. That’s it.
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Their union is/was our union. Pure and simple. This all played out just the way Big Red wanted it. Jazz, Sky, Georgian, we were/are all just puppets in their game. That's what needs to be understood.
On a similar note, don't be surprised when United swoops in and buys 49% of AC.
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Jazz was at war with Sky Regional? That's news to me.Julian.B wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:54 pmI'm not sure who "Julie" is. Manager? Well that's good. At least Jazz pilots can bid on the Embraer. None the less; the fact that Sky Regional were hired at Jazz as DOH and with no interview is amazing by itself. It really sets a great example, although completly misplaced. It's like winning a war and telling your enemies they can join your army and have dibs on ranks above your own soldiers. Pretty crappy situation. I am willing to bet a left nut that if that ever went to a vote, it would have never been approved by Jazz pilots. Their union sold them out. Pure and simple. Everything else is circumstantial.straight2thepoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 4:27 pmThis is misleading. Got jobs, yes. Equipment protection, not really. At least as soon as the recall class on Monday the 5th, from Julie's mouth: "As soon as the next equipment bid, which will hopefully be in August, it is highly unlikely you will be able to hold the Embraer." This is in reference to current FOs on the 175 from Sky coming over, obviously.
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Oh? That would be good I would say. A much needed investment can be a good thing for Air Canada. I thought foreign airlines can't invest in Canadian carriers more than 25%. Did they raise it to 49%? I honestly don't know what the laws are.straight2thepoint wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 8:16 pm On a similar note, don't be surprised when United swoops in and buys 49% of AC.
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Well, maybe my "war" analogy was a little dramatic, but Sky Regional was created to undermine Jazz and Air Canada pilots. They got great airplanes and some of the best routes. They were flying the same planes Mainline guys did, for half the cost. Anyway, I'm starting to repeat myself. I don't have much more to add. If Jazz pilots are happy with their union and having 200+ pilots slide above them in seniority (even with the retirements, etc), then so be it. I don't think that guy that returned to McDonalds was happy about it. I think I saw a post on TIYCP.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:34 pm Jazz was at war with Sky Regional? That's news to me.
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Julian.B wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 4:11 amWell, maybe my "war" analogy was a little dramatic, but Sky Regional was created to undermine Jazz and Air Canada pilots. They got great airplanes and some of the best routes. They were flying the same planes Mainline guys did, for half the cost. Anyway, I'm starting to repeat myself. I don't have much more to add. If Jazz pilots are happy with their union and having 200+ pilots slide above them in seniority (even with the retirements, etc), then so be it. I don't think that guy (Jazz Dash capt) that returned to McDonalds was happy about it. I think I saw a post on TIYCP.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 10:34 pm Jazz was at war with Sky Regional? That's news to me.
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What is encores retirement now that they don’t have stock anymore? Can they still do a match or is it gone?YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:36 pmWell my whole point was there’s many other things to look at then just pay and schedule and that’s not to say Encore is even better at those. Heck I flew more on the 37 then I did at Jazz. But other very important things to consider are health/dental which is 1000x better at Jazz than any of the WJ group and retirement savings plans. You may not think so but wait till your get in you later years and have children.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:05 pmI don't understand. WAWCON stands for wages and working conditions. What else can we quantifiably measure?
Literally the only advantages Encore has is reserve, aircraft age(lol doesn’t matter) and no interview if you want to go to mainline. That’s it.
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Retirement, who cares, their planes are 5.77484 years old on average........fish4life wrote: ↑Sun Jul 04, 2021 9:15 amWhat is encores retirement now that they don’t have stock anymore? Can they still do a match or is it gone?YC87DRVR wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 5:36 pmWell my whole point was there’s many other things to look at then just pay and schedule and that’s not to say Encore is even better at those. Heck I flew more on the 37 then I did at Jazz. But other very important things to consider are health/dental which is 1000x better at Jazz than any of the WJ group and retirement savings plans. You may not think so but wait till your get in you later years and have children.notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: ↑Sat Jul 03, 2021 3:05 pm
I don't understand. WAWCON stands for wages and working conditions. What else can we quantifiably measure?
Literally the only advantages Encore has is reserve, aircraft age(lol doesn’t matter) and no interview if you want to go to mainline. That’s it.
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Re: Best guess when recalls could happen
Further recalls have been sent today, any news on DOH of juniors?
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September 2019 from what I’ve heard.
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How many is left to be recalled (including SKV)?