Hi Folks,

I am struggling to choose between Seneca college's 4 year program or Confederation's shorter one. Are there advantages as to Seneca considering its a 4 year program (Jazz Aviation Pathway program? Employment?)? As for money wise, ill be fine due to my parents contributing. Also, what are the chances for Jazz Aviation pathway for both Seneca and Confed?

Many Thanks,

Daniel

I wouldn't even consider the Jazz program being a deciding factor with the state of the industry. They have to recall everyone laid off before they can start hiring, and that could be years. It will probably go back to 1 or 2 college grads per year being hired, instead of the free-for-all its been as of late.

Take that with a grain of salt however, I do not work for Jazz, that's just from my conversations with people that do.

As far as picking a program, Confed has a great program, but you'll have to get your multi-ifr on your own. Most guys go to Cornwall after graduating.

That would be my choice if I was picking a government subsidized program.

Confed seems like a good deal at first but I’m really questioning why I’m here at this point.

Confed doesn't seem to be doing very well lately, and yes you'll have to go elsewhere to do the multi-IFR. Cornwall is awesome so I highly recommend them.

Seneca and Waterloo are both big programs that move a lot of students through.

I was in a position like yours earlier this year as I was graduating high school and looking for a school. I got into contact with some Sault college students, and they all said stay away from that place. They seem to be way over capacity and can’t maintain a proper training schedule. So one down.

I don’t know much about Seneca, other than my flight instructor went there.

Confed is a different program. You will only receive a single engine CPL and night rating from what I determined from the site. A staffer told me they send their graduates to Waterloo to get their Multi IFR when they finish at Confed. They seem to be running on time. I haven’t heard too many bad things.

I wouldn’t consider the Jazz APP as a dealbreaker for any school. Industry is not doing well, and won’t be for a while.

I personally decided to avoid the college/UNI route altogether. I chose a different program at a flight school, and it’s a short commute rather than finding a place in Thunder Bay. Proved to be a good choice, as I believe Seneca, Sault, and Confed all cancelled their 2020 intakes due to covid. I sadly have a few friends who need to take a gap year.

All in all. Keep your view wide. It doesn’t have to be those 3 specific schools, especially in today’s times.

Lots to consider, but you have already made a good decision by NOT including Sault College Aviatoin as one of your possibilities. You only have to do a bit of searching here, as well as other sites, to understand why. Saults chronic flight training delays has been the topic on social media for many years due to in part over capacity issues. Could be a much better program if they just reduced their intake each year. The school program gets government funding per seat, so I will let you draw your own conclusions.

Example of this is the class of 2020 which started in 2017. Most of the class went into their 3rd and last year still working on their Private. Many of the class of 2021, started in 2018, is suffering the same fate starting their 3rd and last year this Sept 2020. Classes and flight training have been so out of sync, ex, learning Multi IFR in class, yet still working on their private.

I think the post above here is good advice. Do your flight training at a local approved IATPL flight school. You will finish quicker and save time and money. Strongly suggest as well getting a degree or a diploma to help down the road with Air Canada if that is what you seek.

Below is a link of a letter sent to students recently
http://avcanada.ca/forums2/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=139723

Good luck, stay focused and you will get to were you want to be!

For what it's worth, speaking as someone fortunate enough to be a currently active Jazz pilot, here are some numbers for the airline:

-There are 1516 pilots with Jazz seniority numbers on the latest seniority list.
-The most senior "active" pilot on the August 2020 position list is #845.
-The company is planning for flying at 20% to 30% of pre-covid levels for the remainder of the year. It was at 9% for the second quarter of 2020.
-There will be a MINIMUM of 20 retirements per year over the next few years.

rxl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:56 am For what it's worth, speaking as someone fortunate enough to be a currently active Jazz pilot, here are some numbers for the airline:

-There are 1516 pilots with Jazz seniority numbers on the latest seniority list.
-The most senior "active" pilot on the August 2020 position list is #845.
-The company is planning for flying at 20% to 30% of pre-covid levels for the remainder of the year. It was at 9% for the second quarter of 2020.
-There will be a MINIMUM of 20 retirements per year over the next few years.

I believe there are 77 more being recalled in August and September which would bring the total up to around 922 active pilots.

47north wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 11:45 am

rxl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 10:56 am For what it's worth, speaking as someone fortunate enough to be a currently active Jazz pilot, here are some numbers for the airline:

-There are 1516 pilots with Jazz seniority numbers on the latest seniority list.
-The most senior "active" pilot on the August 2020 position list is #845.
-The company is planning for flying at 20% to 30% of pre-covid levels for the remainder of the year. It was at 9% for the second quarter of 2020.
-There will be a MINIMUM of 20 retirements per year over the next few years.

I believe there are 77 more being recalled in August and September which would bring the total up to around 922 active pilots.

So roughly 600 surplus pilots through the remainder of the year and likely well into 2021.

rxl wrote: ↑Tue Aug 25, 2020 6:31 pm
So roughly 600 surplus pilots through the remainder of the year and likely well into 2021.

Some degree of surplus is likely to continue well into 2022 if not 2023.