Forgot to Extend the Gear Thread

[pelmet]

Unfortunately, It happened again....

C-GXMJ, a privately registered Aeromot AMT-200 motor glider with only the pilot on board was on
final approach to runway 13/31 at the Regina International airport (CYQR), Sk. The aircraft landed
with the landing gear retracted and came to a rest in an upright position on the center of the
runway. The pilot was not injured and the aircraft sustained substantial damage. It was reported
that the landing gear was not selected down prior to landing.

[pelmet]

This just shows that it can happen to a professional two crew aircraft under normal circumstances........

C-FWAF, a Pilatus PC-12/45 operated by Wasaya Airways, was conducting flight WSG5514 from
Sioux Lookout (CYXL), ON to Thunder Bay (CYQT), ON with only the 2 pilots on board. On short
final for Runway 12 at CYQT, the pilot flying retarded the power lever for landing and the gear
warning horn subsequently sounded as the gear had not been selected to the extended position. A
missed approach was safely conducted, the aircraft joined a VFR circuit, and an uneventful landing
was conducted.

[goingnowherefast]

At least the gear warning system worked, unlike this event: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan_ ... light_8303

"...the landing gear was inexplicably retracted by the time it came to 5 nautical miles from the runway. It eventually attempted to land without the landing gear extended."

"Before the first landing attempt (according to the CVR and FDR), multiple alerts including the over speed and gear unsafe warning, as well as ground proximity warning system (GPWS) all sounded, but were either missed or disregarded"

[Bavros]

On Sept 6th

A Waterloo-Wellington Flying Club Piper PA-28R-201 (C-FFTU), on a round robin flight plan from Kitchener/Waterloo, ON (CYKF) to Peterborough, ON (CYPQ) to Kitchener/Waterloo, ON (CYKF), landed with its landing gear up at CYPQ. There was 1 soul on board (SOB), uninjured. Substantial aircraft damage. Due to the location of the disabled aircraft, both runways were closed until the aircraft could be removed.

[2R]

CCGUMPS

GUMPS

BUMFFS

SF3G

Pick one they all work

[Bavros]

Ignoring the gear horn doesn't help either.

[pelmet]

C-GGXF, a privately registered Rockwell Commander 112A, was conducting circuits at Burlington
Executive Airport, Otario (CZBA) with only the pilot on board. While on final approach for landing
on Runway 14, the pilot did not extend the landing gear and performed an unintentional gear-up
landing. The aircraft came to a stop slightly off the right edge of the runway. There were no injuries
or fire. The aircraft sustained damage to the fuselage and propeller.

[pelmet]

An American, corporately registered Aero Vodochody L39C (N88EA/SA44+1) from London, ON (CYXU) to London, ON (CYXU) landed "gear up" on Runway 33. SA44 was the first aircraft in a formation of two L39C aircraft. The second aircraft, an ITPS (Canada) Ltd. Aero Vodochody L39C (C-GFNY/SA43) from London, ON (CYXU) to London, ON (CYXU) landed and stopped on the runway short of the first aircraft. As a result, Runway 15/33 was closed by NOTAM. No other impact on operations.

[pelmet]

On 22 May 2021, a privately registered Lake LA-250 Renegade amphibious aircraft, (registration C-FMCC), was operating on a daytime local VFR flight from Muskoka Airport, Ontario (CYQA) to Bancroft Community Airport, Ontario (CNW3) with one pilot and two passengers onboard. After a water takeoff from a nearby lake, the aircraft landed on the gravel Runway 30 at CNW3 with the landing gear retracted. The aircraft came to rest on the centerline of the runway 350’ from the threshold. There were no injuries and minimal damage to the hull. With the help of several local volunteers, the aircraft was raised, one side at a time, to allow the landing gear to be manually lowered and locked in place. The aircraft then departed for the return flight to CYQA.

[challenger_nami]

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This topic has been discussed many times before, and yet this type of incident keeps repeating.

Thankfully there were no injuries or damage to the aircraft in this case. However, had this pilot properly verified the landing gear position on short final, his/her ego would remain less bruised.

Let the nay sayers say their nays.




P.S. I hope the Mod(s) don’t delete my post because they perceive my comments as “inflammatory”

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[pelmet]

However, had this pilot properly verified the landing gear position on short final, his/her ego would remain less bruised.

And all of our insurance costs would be lower.

[rookiepilot]

However, had this pilot properly verified the landing gear position on short final, his/her ego would remain less bruised.

And all of our insurance costs would be lower.

How do you both know with absolute certainty this wasn't a mechanical failure? Do you have verified information not posted above?

[challenger_nami]

However, had this pilot properly verified the landing gear position on short final, his/her ego would remain less bruised.

And all of our insurance costs would be lower.

How do you both know with absolute certainty this wasn't a mechanical failure? Do you have verified information not posted above?

If there was a genuine mechanical failure, the pilot would be wise to have declared some sort of emergency.

this to me sounds like an “Oops I forgot to lower my landing gears to land on the gravel” type of incident... similar to that OMNR Tanker incident we discussed on this forum.

However, if it turns out that my instinct was incorrect and this indeed was a genuine mechanical failure, then I would come and apologize on this forum. I would love to be proven wrong on this. unlikely though:

This is an Amphibian we are talking about here, remember.
if this aircraft had Landing Gear Extension issues, then could they NOT have easily gone to a LAKE, and touched down on water instead of gravel?


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[rookiepilot]

And all of our insurance costs would be lower.

How do you both know with absolute certainty this wasn't a mechanical failure? Do you have verified information not posted above?

If there was a genuine mechanical failure, the pilot would be wise to have declared some sort of emergency.

this to me sounds like an “Oops I forgot to lower my landing gears to land on the gravel” type of incident... similar to that OMNR Tanker incident we discussed on this forum.

However, if it turns out that my instinct was incorrect and this indeed was a genuine mechanical failure, then I would come and apologize on this forum. I would love to be proven wrong on this. unlikely though:

if this aircraft had Landing Gear Extension issues, then they could have easily gone to a LAKE, and touched down on water instead of gravel. This is an Amphibian we are talking about here, remember.


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So a pilot always knows before landing a mechanical failure has occurred?

Of course this is AvCan...verified facts are irrelevant to a good thrashing.

[challenger_nami]

How do you both know with absolute certainty this wasn't a mechanical failure? Do you have verified information not posted above?

If there was a genuine mechanical failure, the pilot would be wise to have declared some sort of emergency.

this to me sounds like an “Oops I forgot to lower my landing gears to land on the gravel” type of incident... similar to that OMNR Tanker incident we discussed on this forum.

However, if it turns out that my instinct was incorrect and this indeed was a genuine mechanical failure, then I would come and apologize on this forum. I would love to be proven wrong on this. unlikely though:

if this aircraft had Landing Gear Extension issues, then they could have easily gone to a LAKE, and touched down on water instead of gravel. This is an Amphibian we are talking about here, remember.


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So a pilot always knows before landing a mechanical failure has occurred?

A competent pilot does... most the time. I don’t know about the non competent ones.

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[rookiepilot]

If there was a genuine mechanical failure, the pilot would be wise to have declared some sort of emergency.

this to me sounds like an “Oops I forgot to lower my landing gears to land on the gravel” type of incident... similar to that OMNR Tanker incident we discussed on this forum.

However, if it turns out that my instinct was incorrect and this indeed was a genuine mechanical failure, then I would come and apologize on this forum. I would love to be proven wrong on this. unlikely though:

if this aircraft had Landing Gear Extension issues, then they could have easily gone to a LAKE, and touched down on water instead of gravel. This is an Amphibian we are talking about here, remember.


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So a pilot always knows before landing a mechanical failure has occurred?

A competent pilot does... most the time. I don’t know about the non competent ones.

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Really.

I had a catastrophic metal fatigue failure on my (extended) landing gear upon landing....TSB looked at it as well, probably to assess if an AD should be issued....I had no clue beforehand.

Of course that didn't stop the trolls here, despite knowing for a fact it was mechanical -- with the smart ass comments alluding that I forgot to lower my gear -- LOL.

That's why it's wise to know for sure -- before commenting! Otherwise you're just adding to the cesspool.

[digits_]

I doubt any amphibian pilot would elect to land on the water with a partial or unknown gear malfunction...

[challenger_nami]

So a pilot always knows before landing a mechanical failure has occurred?

A competent pilot does... most the time. I don’t know about the non competent ones.

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Really.

I had a catastrophic metal fatigue failure on my (extended) landing gear upon landing....TSB looked at it as well, probably to assess if an AD should be issued....I had no clue beforehand.

Of course that didn't stop the trolls here, despite knowing for a fact it was mechanical -- with the smart ass comments alluding that I forgot to lower my gear -- LOL.

That's why it's wise to know for sure -- before commenting! Otherwise you're just adding to the cesspool.

Flying an airplane is a public affair. Does Not matter if it’s for private or commercial purposes . If you end up on the news because of whatever happened to your flight, you should be able to handle the sh*t-storm of public scrutiny.

As the pilot of the aircraft involved in an incident, you are guilty until proven innocent. Sully Sullenberger is my go to example. If you have done things right, you will get vindicated and could become a hero.

If you can NOT handle criticism of your actions as a pilot, don’t fly an airplane of any sort.

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[rookiepilot]

Flying an airplane is a public affair. Does Not matter if it’s for private or commercial purposes . If you end up on the news because of whatever happened to your flight, you should be able to handle the sh*t-storm of public scrutiny.

As the pilot of the aircraft involved in an incident, you are guilty until proven innocent. Sully Sullenberger is my go to example. If you have done things right, you will get vindicated and could become a hero.

If you can NOT handle criticism of your actions as a pilot, don’t fly an airplane of any sort.

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Posting here is a public affair.

This applies to you too, or others posting unfounded speculation without evidence. If you can't handle public criticism of garbage posts, don't post.

You've posted a lot of crap speculating on accidents as have others here, gotten publicly challenged, and refused to respond. What goes around comes around, and others have the right to aggressively call it out.

Post S---expect to get challenged-- don't whine about it, or the Mods even deleting it!

[challenger_nami]

Flying an airplane is a public affair. Does Not matter if it’s for private or commercial purposes . If you end up on the news because of whatever happened to your flight, you should be able to handle the sh*t-storm of public scrutiny.

As the pilot of the aircraft involved in an incident, you are guilty until proven innocent. Sully Sullenberger is my go to example. If you have done things right, you will get vindicated and could become a hero.

If you can NOT handle criticism of your actions as a pilot, don’t fly an airplane of any sort.

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Posting here is a public affair.

This applies to you too, or others posting unfounded speculation without evidence. If you can't handle public criticism of garbage posts, don't post.

Post shit, expect to get challenged-- don't whine about it.

I fully agree with you @RookiePilot that posting on this forum is a public affair.

I fully stand behind my posts and am glad to be challenged about what I write. That Keeps me accountable, and that is the way I like to be.

I don’t usually/ever whine about professional criticism with reason.... being trolled by idio*s is a totally different thing; I tend to deflate trolls with my data and logic approach.

I challenge you to show me an example of an instance when I whined about my “garbage posts” being criticized. I will be glad to address it, and potentially deflate you


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[rookiepilot]

I fully agree with you @RookiePilot that posting on this forum is a public affair.

I fully stand behind my posts and am glad to be challenged about what I write. That Keeps me accountable, and that is the way I like to be.

I don’t usually/ever whine about professional criticism with reason.... being trolled by idio*s is a totally different thing; I tend to deflate trolls with my data and logic approach.

I challenge you to show me an example of an instance when I whined about my “garbage posts” being criticized. I will be glad to address it, and potentially deflate you


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Gee, this whole thread? Where's your hard data proving a conclusion?
viewtopic.php?f=118&t=145532

Failure to answer direct questions as to the source of your claimed information-- also qualifies.

You and Pelmet would make a good pair of twins.

You both poorly impersonate TSB investigators, but the difference is -- that role actually requires a lot of hard work.

Posting unsubstantiated crap here, doesn't take any work at all.

[challenger_nami]

I fully agree with you @RookiePilot that posting on this forum is a public affair.

I fully stand behind my posts and am glad to be challenged about what I write. That Keeps me accountable, and that is the way I like to be.

I don’t usually/ever whine about professional criticism with reason.... being trolled by idio*s is a totally different thing; I tend to deflate trolls with my data and logic approach.

I challenge you to show me an example of an instance when I whined about my “garbage posts” being criticized. I will be glad to address it, and potentially deflate you


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Gee, this whole thread? Where's your hard data proving a conclusion?
viewtopic.php?f=118&t=145532

Failure to answer direct questions as to the source of your claimed information-- also qualifies.

You are drifting from the topic of this thread, LA-250 Renegade.

I surgically deflated multiple trolls single handedly and shredded their flawed arguments on that Beech Musketeer thread to the extent that the Moderator had to run to their rescue to expunge their amusingly idio*ic assertions from the history to protect their dignity.

Now, if you still have unanswered questions about my assertions on that Beech Musketeer thread, post your questions under that thread and you may get a response if I deem your assertions worthy of a response. Refer to Challenger’s Rules of Engagement for more info.

Keep in mind that when you refresh that thread, you are putting salt on the healing wounds of those deflated trolls who are trying to recover and put that thread behind them.

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Back to the topic of this thread: LA-250 Gear Up Landing in Ontario.

@Digits and @RookiePilot
Sounds like you guys already lost this discussion.

Do you 2 REALLY think the LA-250 Renegade’s gear up incident on this thread was a catastrophic mechanical failure and NOT pilot error?

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[digits_]

I don’t know, which is why I didn’t write anything about that. I am only replying to your comment regarding an amphibian pilot landing on a lake with gear issues. That is unlikely if they have a choice. A partial gear on a water landing means you will be swimming and might be unconscious while leaving the airplane. A partial gear on a land landing means you might damage metal.

So don’t use that argument as proof that it wasn’t an intentional gear up landing.

[pelmet]

However, had this pilot properly verified the landing gear position on short final, his/her ego would remain less bruised.

And all of our insurance costs would be lower.

How do you both know with absolute certainty this wasn't a mechanical failure? Do you have verified information not posted above?

Well, assuming the report is accurate, perhaps the pilot had a mechanical failure. Of course, that would make the report of getting some 'local volunteers' to lift the plane up and manually lower the gear for another flight look even worse than what appears to be than just skipping a proper inspection for damage after a gear up landing with serviceable gear. That would mean he flew with a damaged aircraft and inoperative systems back to YQA. Perhaps someone volunteered a ferry permit, or called TC that Saturday(May 22) for a quick approval.

Once again, it is easy to see why insurance costs are the way they are.

We do have a regular poster here from the area and knowledgeable about these aircraft, perhaps he will provide some more info.

[pelmet]

On 24 May 2021, a privately registered Piper PA-24-250 Comanche aircraft, (registration C-FSCS),
was operating on a daytime local VFR flight from Gore Bay-Manitoulin Airport, Ontario (CYZE) with
one pilot onboard. While attempting a touch and go to Runway 02/20 at Manitoulin East Municipal
Airport, Ontario (CYEM), the aircraft landed with the landing gear retracted. The aircraft came to
rest on the runway. There were no injuries.