Northern Thunderbird Air???

bluesky99 · Post by **bluesky99** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:32 pm

Hey just wondering if anyone knows what's going on there. Was chattin with a few guys over there the other day and they all seemed disgruntled??? But they didn't want to elaborate... anyone know what the deal is?

wolf86 · Post by **wolf86** » Sun Jan 01, 2006 11:38 pm

low pay, hard work, crap schedule and record company profits.

do the math.

-flysafe

toooldforthisstuff · Post by **toooldforthisstuff** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:45 am

the word in YYC is that the guys there are gettin the shaft. Had several resumes come our way. But who knows??

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:37 am

They're pilots: remember the only thing that doesn't stop whining after the engines quit is the pilot(s). Get a union. The company always gets the union it deserves.

Happy New Year.

wolf86 · Post by **wolf86** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:00 pm

ha! talk of a union will get people fired. When a ship sinks, I'll admit to being a rat that jumps off.

medby · Post by **medby** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:03 pm

proper · Post by **proper** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:08 pm

so far? well it's been long and unfortunately, they do.

gonnabeapilot · Post by **gonnabeapilot** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 1:18 pm

Low pay? now that's funny!! I can't speak for the King Air/Caravan side of things but I know for a fact that the starting salaries for 1900 F.O./Capts at NT are a lot higher than what 1900 drivers at either Sunwest, CMA or Cariboo get paid. Doesn't mean we all shouldn't get paid more, but at least be happy that you're on the higher end!

Swamp Donkey · Post by **Swamp Donkey** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:28 pm

It seems everybody has to start a rumor based on heresay. If everybody wants to leave, then perhaps that's what they should do. Weeds in a good company do nothing but hold everybody else back.

I've heard nothing but good comments on management, the owners and the equipment.

cyyz · Post by **cyyz** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:34 pm

Swamp Donkey wrote:It seems everybody has to start a rumor.

I just like starting rumors, "so I was talking to some older AC pilots, and they seemed disgruntled, but they didn't want to elaborate..."

LOL.

I don't know what kind of "chatting" you did, but if they didn't want to "chat" with you, i think it falls into eavesdropping, and even then, if you had started the thread with, "I over heard....." it's still funny....

And I think everyone in aviation is "disgruntled" over something, and if you aren't, you should have your head checked....

skylover35 · Post by **skylover35** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:39 pm

The truth is that no company is perfect, and some are better than others. In my experience at nt, hard work is not really rewarded, brown nosing and being in good with the bosses might.

Sure we make more than cma but they only work half the month too.

But when they don't issue the schedule for the month till the first of the month, and then keep revising it continually...it's hard to stay positive about it. I could say a lot more, but whatever. The company just is not giving the guys any reason to want to work their butts off for them.

And what the guy said about getting fired if a union was mentioned, he's not joking.

Swamp Donkey · Post by **Swamp Donkey** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 5:20 pm

cyyz wrote:And I think everyone in aviation is "disgruntled" over something, and if you aren't, you should have your head checked....

Good post cyyz.

I guess some of nt's pilots need a little cheeze with their whine also...

tincanflyer · Post by **tincanflyer** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:14 pm

bluesky99 wrote:Hey just wondering if anyone knows what's going on there. Was chattin with a few guys over there the other day and they all seemed disgruntled??? But they didn't want to elaborate... anyone know what the deal is?

You @ss! You probably work at NT and are unhappy because your not getting upgraded to left seat so now your gonna stir up shit! Really mature. Even if you don't work for them this post is point and shows the the lack of respect you have for the industry and fellow pilot who are happy at NT.

tincanflyer · Post by **tincanflyer** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:16 pm

xsbank wrote:They're pilots: remember the only thing that doesn't stop whining after the engines quit is the pilot(s). Get a union. The company always gets the union it deserves.

Happy New Year.

WOW!!! your a smart one aren't yeah!!! a union!!! haha......that everyones quick/dumb answer for all the little problems. Who wants to end up in Ch.11 or sit there and watch some slacker makes more then you when you work harder.

tincanflyer · Post by **tincanflyer** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:18 pm

gonnabeapilot wrote:Low pay? now that's funny!! I can't speak for the King Air/Caravan side of things but I know for a fact that the starting salaries for 1900 F.O./Capts at NT are a lot higher than what 1900 drivers at either Sunwest, CMA or Cariboo get paid. Doesn't mean we all shouldn't get paid more, but at least be happy that you're on the higher end!

the majority of your posts are sticking up for or defending CMA/NTAir.- do you work for them?

ScudRunner · Post by **ScudRunner** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 10:32 pm

How much do they make there??? whats the work sched like?

xsbank · Post by **xsbank** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:08 pm

tincanflyer take a pill.

ei ei owe · Post by **ei ei owe** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:13 pm

Isn't Regency....... or Sonik-blu gonna buy em?

Dusty 3 · Post by **Dusty 3** » Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:49 pm

I do work for NT.

And of course there's going to people who think it's a "crappy" place to work, or:
-they don't pay enough.
-they work to much each month.
-somebody in management doesn't like them.
-they aren't getting upgraded when they deserve to be....-could there be a reason for that you think?

Like somebody else said, it doesn't matter what company or job you have. Something could always be better. Shouldn't everybody make a million bucks and fly 2 hours a day with a 3 hour duty day?

Isn't the goal really to work less, make more money, and enjoy life? Well, what your going to find at NT is you work hard, and your rewarded later for doing so. Yes your going work 6 days in a row, and they have potential to be long days (1900's). The medevac on the other hand, 4 on 4 off, 12 hour shifts.

Well to those who are whinning about the above items, Suck it up. You obviously thought it was a good place to work when you applied to work at NT didn't you? If you don't like it, leave (But I'm sure you'll whine a bit more on here prior to doing so).

And one more note, do you think somebody is going to feel sorry for you cause you might have to move to Prince George or possibly Smithers?

NT Air is one of kind. The management/office/maint. teams are fantastic, the pilots are some of the best guys you could ask to work with.

That's my two bits, have fun ripping it & or me apart now.

Justin.

NTA203

prairiedog · Post by **prairiedog** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 12:40 pm

Are you the guy that roasted that 200!!!

altiplano · Post by **altiplano** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 1:37 pm

ils09 · Post by **ils09** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 2:37 pm

Prariedog, get a life and show some respect!!

I worked for NT on a very short contract, the guys i met were great and the management way very honest! I know a lot of guys who would kill to get into NT.

Dusty, it was good of you to come out the other night, good to see you, i know it wasnt easy.

ILS09
Ryan

Dusty 3 · Post by **Dusty 3** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 5:08 pm

WhatThe? · Post by **WhatThe?** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:13 pm

I have a friend that works for Cathay, F/O A340 relief capt. on a 747, and will be a full capt. soon. He's making 300k+ a year. The moral is that 10 years ago he almost quit aviation to work as a roofer! Do you think he is fully satisfied and happy? Hell no ... i love listening to his bitching, per diems are down to $250 a day ..etc..you get the point.

People in aviation are famous for giving up their life in order to be a pilot, and move up to the next bigger thing; then they wake up 10yrs later ...miserable. Enjoy your life outside the cockpit, and flying becomes a job that you go home from, NOT a place to live your life.

Good luck to all you aviators, it's a tough road, gotta love it!

CanadianGurl · Post by **CanadianGurl** » Tue Jan 03, 2006 11:14 pm

HAHAHA Way to go Justin!

Very nicely put!
Cheers

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