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Seniority Travel

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With many taking early retirement or furloughed in all departments is it time to push for seniority travel. I’m for it sitting middle of the pack.
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Re: Seniority Travel

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Dionysus wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 5:55 am With many taking early retirement or furloughed in all departments is it time to push for seniority travel. I’m for it sitting middle of the pack.
What do you mean by seniority travel?

As far as I know, retired crew are entitled to flight benefits whereas furloughed crew are entitled to the following notice:
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Re: Seniority Travel

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By this I mean your standby priority is based on your date of hire vs the ridiculous who presses the button first at 24 hrs from the flight. Hunger games.
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Re: Seniority Travel

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Dionysus wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 5:55 am With many taking early retirement or furloughed in all departments is it time to push for seniority travel. I’m for it sitting middle of the pack.
You know where the perfect place to complain and/or advocate for this is?

Wait for it...

Just a little longer...
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Not Avcanada.
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Re: Seniority Travel

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As someone who commutes only to have 5 people list 2 hours before the flight that you thought you were safe to take I can tell you that the seniority Stby travel sucks. Maybe if there was a cutoff time it wouldn’t be so bad where people would fall behind the already listed people but not knowing where you sit on the list until it’s too late to make a change is brutal.
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Re: Seniority Travel

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Dionysus wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 8:13 am By this I mean your standby priority is based on your date of hire vs the ridiculous who presses the button first at 24 hrs from the flight. Hunger games.
Are you suggesting that a retiree traveling for leisure should use his/her "seniority" too displace a "working stiff" :shock:
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Re: Seniority Travel

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Loon-A-Tic wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 12:50 pm
Dionysus wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 8:13 am By this I mean your standby priority is based on your date of hire vs the ridiculous who presses the button first at 24 hrs from the flight. Hunger games.
Are you suggesting that a retiree traveling for leisure should use his/her "seniority" too displace a "working stiff" :shock:
Retirees have their own spot on the priority list. But yeah seniority doh would work in that specific priority list too when it comes to retirees.
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Re: Seniority Travel

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Dionysus wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 4:06 pm
Loon-A-Tic wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 12:50 pm
Dionysus wrote: Wed May 12, 2021 8:13 am By this I mean your standby priority is based on your date of hire vs the ridiculous who presses the button first at 24 hrs from the flight. Hunger games.
Are you suggesting that a retiree traveling for leisure should use his/her "seniority" too displace a "working stiff" :shock:
Retirees have their own spot on the priority list. But yeah seniority doh would work in that specific priority list too when it comes to retirees.
Maybe it's just because I'm still relatively green, but I favour check-in based priority. I wouldn't be opposed to commuters getting priority boosts.
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Check in Seniority all the way. Not DOH and definitely priority for commuters.
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Not sure why commuters deserve priority. They (me) made a choice not to live where they work. Why should that be rewarded? Some flights have 10+ commuters on them, I think it would be grossly unfair for a person traveling on vacation to be bumped on flight after flight by commuters.
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ALPApolicy wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:46 am Not sure why commuters deserve priority. They (me) made a choice not to live where they work. Why should that be rewarded? Some flights have 10+ commuters on them, I think it would be grossly unfair for a person traveling on vacation to be bumped on flight after flight by commuters.
So you'd be perfectly happy with missing a assigned flight and the associated complications that arise as a result of by an "off duty" employee going on leisure travel.
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I would realize it's only fair and I don't deserve priority for choosing to commute.
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This last year alone should show why commuters deserve priority over vacationing employees. How many of us have had to change bases and be forced to commute. Even with upgrades and then eventually, hopefully being able to get back to their home base shows the need for commuters. This is not the military, do you expect the employees to move every time their base temporarily changes?
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Re: Seniority Travel

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So a good opportunity for airline management to eliminate and shed the burden of a "commuting policy" from the collective agreements. That sounds like a step backwards but if it of no assistance then why not remove it if favor of other "gains" in the next round of negations.
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My suggestion: set aside 10% of unsold seats as 'Commuter Priority' where a commuter will get first choice (based on check-in time), and then if it's not taken, it will be released to the rest of the standby crowd.

I don't commute, but for those who do, having a little more security that they will get to work or get home is more important than my leisure trip.

One is optional leisure, the other is mandatory work.
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Re: Seniority Travel

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notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 6:38 am My suggestion: set aside 10% of unsold seats as 'Commuter Priority' where a commuter will get first choice (based on check-in time), and then if it's not taken, it will be released to the rest of the standby crowd.

I don't commute, but for those who do, having a little more security that they will get to work or get home is more important than my leisure trip.

One is optional leisure, the other is mandatory work.
Finally someone gets it, there is still a glimmer of hope alive
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Re: Seniority Travel

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It would be ironic if the person complaining about the commuter getting on ahead of them ended up having their vacation flight cancelled because the commuter couldn’t make it to work.
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Re: Seniority Travel

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fish4life wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 9:18 am It would be ironic if the person complaining about the commuter getting on ahead of them ended up having their vacation flight cancelled because the commuter couldn’t make it to work.
As I recall there's a saying for that......Karma is a BITCH :rolleyes:
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ALPApolicy wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:46 am Not sure why commuters deserve priority. They (me) made a choice not to live where they work. Why should that be rewarded? Some flights have 10+ commuters on them, I think it would be grossly unfair for a person traveling on vacation to be bumped on flight after flight by commuters.
Because commuters are commuting so that the senior guys can get their preferred base. Kind of sour to hear people asking for priority to go on vacation. Jeesh.
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Re: Seniority Travel

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ALPApolicy wrote: Thu May 13, 2021 5:46 am Not sure why commuters deserve priority. They (me) made a choice not to live where they work. Why should that be rewarded? Some flights have 10+ commuters on them, I think it would be grossly unfair for a person traveling on vacation to be bumped on flight after flight by commuters.
Nailed it.

Far too much negotiating capital has been used over the years for the benefit of commuters.
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