Porter receiving E195-E2?

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fish4life wrote: Thu May 20, 2021 9:25 pm The chances of any of these smaller carriers succeeding just keeps decreasing. If it was just porter or just flair or just swoop or just Canada jetlines (if that’s still a thing) I think it’s possible for one of them to be successful. Unfortunately right now all the carriers are going to have so much capacity that it’s just going to result in some short term pricing war with likely none of them coming out the other end.
JetBlue too.
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Don't forget Enerjet - they were interviewing a while ago and starting an airline imminently.
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There is a certain Porter owner who has been part of previous historical plays to corner aircraft delivery slots for potential resale.

I wonder if that is what is going on here?
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notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 5:37 pm Not happening.

Porter is not in any financial situation to purchase new aircraft.

What are they going to do with them? Park them next to the Qs?
Hmm eating those words now.
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schnitzel2k3 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:56 am
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 5:37 pm Not happening.

Porter is not in any financial situation to purchase new aircraft.

What are they going to do with them? Park them next to the Qs?
Hmm eating those words now.
I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.
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notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:59 am
schnitzel2k3 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:56 am
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 5:37 pm Not happening.

Porter is not in any financial situation to purchase new aircraft.

What are they going to do with them? Park them next to the Qs?
Hmm eating those words now.
I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.
Porter hasn’t ‘bought’ anything yet. They have signed an order sheet for 30 aircraft. Perhaps placed deposits.

‘Bought’ happens with forward payments and final delivery settling of account. Ultimate transaction may be sale to third party with leaseback.
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rudder wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 10:10 am
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:59 am
schnitzel2k3 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:56 am

Hmm eating those words now.
I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.
Porter hasn’t ‘bought’ anything yet. They have signed an order sheet for 30 aircraft. Perhaps placed deposits.

‘Bought’ happens with forward payments and final delivery settling of account. Ultimate transaction may be sale to third party with leaseback.
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Re: Porter receiving E195-E2?

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notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:59 am
schnitzel2k3 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:56 am
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Wed May 19, 2021 5:37 pm Not happening.

Porter is not in any financial situation to purchase new aircraft.

What are they going to do with them? Park them next to the Qs?
Hmm eating those words now.
I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.
Hehe all good, at least it's very positive news for an industry absolutely brutalized by the pandemic in Canada.

Can't wait to see the rollout.
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schnitzel2k3 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 11:15 am
notwhoyouthinkIam wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:59 am
schnitzel2k3 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 9:56 am

Hmm eating those words now.
I saw the article and immediately remembered that I made a skeptical remark about it.

Yes, definitely eating my words now.
Hehe all good, at least it's very positive news for an industry absolutely brutalized by the pandemic in Canada.

Can't wait to see the rollout.
Indeed, very good to hear such news. Wishing Porter every success in this new adventure, competition is good for everyone.
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whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.
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ggofp wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:49 pm whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.
Fell through like flour in a sieve.
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ggofp wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:49 pm whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.
It was conditional on being allowed to use them into the island was it not ?
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goldeneagle wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 2:19 pm
ggofp wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 1:49 pm whatever happened to their c-ceries/A220 order?! I suspect this is more of the same.
It was conditional on being allowed to use them into the island was it not ?
I believe that is correct. It is interesting that they chose to purchase the E195-E2 and it was not conditional on having access for the aircraft at YTZ. Leaves me wondering, had they kept the conditional order for the A220, instead of letting it lapse, would they have today announced the firming of the order with the intent to operate it out of YYZ, etc,?
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.6087309

No sweat, we all paid for these Brazilian airplanes.
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Deal was in place long before any gov money was handed out.
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PT6onH20 wrote: Mon Jul 12, 2021 3:38 pm https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/ ... -1.6087309

No sweat, we all paid for these Brazilian airplanes.
Loan: a thing that is borrowed, especially a sum of money that is expected to be paid back with interest.
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The instant Porter leaves the security of CYTZ and ventures into CYYZ country they will be served a beating by Team Teal and the AC Mothership.
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Where will they get the gates from at YYZ? Sunwing was having a hard enough time getting gates at T3, and so completely moved all operations to the infield terminal just before COVID hit. Last time I was in YUL, most of the gates at the main terminal were occupied as well as the satellite terminal where Jazz and Air North operate.

I'm sure they have it figured out, but I'm just curious how they'll operate 30 let alone 80 aircraft at these airports.
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