Typical CBC story:

https://www.cbc.ca/news/indigenous/thom ... -1.6068398

I wonder how many people's lives were saved being medevaced from remote locations in that aircraft?

How many tons of critically needed supplies and provisions were flown in the back?

How important was the other connection between communities it provided?

What a cheap attempt of an article. Those planes were the lifeline back in those days

I got rear ended by an F150. It's an unavoidable painful reminder every time I see one drive past me.

Sure, if this specific airplane was used to facilitate the genocide of Canada's indigenous population, I would see the outrage, but to complain that a common airplane type is offensive is stupid.

I can already see a group or Ryerson students in Toronto planning a road trip up North to break this thing down and burn it. Just give them a couple weeks. We can’t stand for these types of displays of white masculinity erected everywhere we must burn them all.

It’s just an airplane! Geez what is this country coming to? The woke/cancel culture won’t stop until all history is erased.

Hopefully someone rescues it before it gets torched.

Next will be the school buses.

Would anyone here be triggered if I legally changed my name to SirJohnA MacDonald and ran in the next federal election planned for this fall?

They forgot to mention that those same racist planes flew food and medicine in and flew the sick and injured out for medical care.

If a person has upsetting recollections as they look at a window in a building, for the room in which they suffered abuse, I can sympathize with them. My opinions about that building are not really relevant. If a person allows themselves to be upset, because they see a plane of the same model, in which they had flight associated with unpleasant events, my sympathy for them is different, as they have allowed a part of their life to be defined by an unrelated, inanimate object. The plane took off and landed on water, do they think poorly of water?

Yesterday, I looked out over the bay in which I just about died four years ago. Today I drove a highway, and passed two different locations, at both of which I was hit by another motorist, and two vehicles destroyed on each occasion - and yet I go on. Those events are a part of my history, but they do not define my present - other than to remind me to appreciate being alive!

I hope that the Norseman remains proudly on the pylon....

PilotDAR wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:18 pm
Yesterday, I looked out over the bay in which I just about died four years ago. Today I drove a highway, and passed two different locations, at both of which I was hit by another motorist, and two vehicles destroyed on each occasion - and yet I go on. Those events are a part of my history, but they do not define my present - other than to remind me to appreciate being alive!

I hope that the Norseman remains proudly on the pylon....

So, in a word, suck it up princess?

Accurate, --on the surface -- but extremely simplistic comparison. Easier said than done, to say to not allow trauma to define ones life.

I'm curious if you've visited some of the reserves, and / or spent time with those who struggle with addictions as a result of deep trauma -- like sexual or other kinds of abuse.
I have. It's a different animal -- than an accident.

Just saying. Be careful before judgement.

I hope the Norseman stays too, and becomes one place for healing, perhaps.

But the fact remains -- to this day -- and I've been to several: No one gives a crap about the reserves or anyone there. That is a fact.

montado wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:34 am I can already see a group or Ryerson students in Toronto planning a road trip up North to break this thing down and burn it. Just give them a couple weeks. We can’t stand for these types of displays of white masculinity erected everywhere we must burn them all.

They wouldn't survive on the outskirts of the GTA, never mind a Northern community..

EPR wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 7:00 pm

montado wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 11:34 am I can already see a group or Ryerson students in Toronto planning a road trip up North to break this thing down and burn it. Just give them a couple weeks. We can’t stand for these types of displays of white masculinity erected everywhere we must burn them all.

They wouldn't survive on the outskirts of the GTA, never mind a Northern community..

There’s no Starbucks soy lattes or kale salads up on the Rez.

I don’t think it will be long before Ryerson changes it’s name. Snowflake U or University of Wokeness are strong contenders no doubt.

So, in a word, suck it up princess?

It's a choice, not an instruction. Some people have been dealt a very unfair hand in life, and may even be able to identify the dealer. My experience, for better or worse, is to play the best hand you can, without looking back [much].

I like the saying: "Fix the problem, not the blame". An airplane, a statue, a name of an institution were not the problem. "Fixing" them will not result in the problem being fixed.

For my own experience, if I think to blame someone for something, or think about an unpleasant event - I have to think back the the unpleasant event! As much as I can, I choose to not do that.

As I said, if someone cannot make that choice, they do have my sympathy, but they won't have my help in removing an inanimate object, only tangentially associated with the event.

rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:28 pmBut the fact remains -- to this day -- No one gives a crap about the reserves or anyone there. That is a fact.

No one gives a crap about residential schools either. It was a hundred years ago.

This saying may not be entirely accurate, but it makes sense to me and I believe in it, "Those that do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it" and "Only the dead have seen the end of war"! This whole "cancel culture" movement is poisoning the waters and I believe have it all wrong!

Remember the Holocaust?

Soon there will be no one alive who can remember what they did.

And soon there will be no one alive who remembers (or cares) what the Residential Schools did.

And history will repeat..

I wouldn’t give too much thought into this article. It’s just a CBC garbage opinion piece. It’s become a satire site with most of its content being about the China virus, BLM or the natives.

Glad my tax dollars aren’t going to fund this.... oh wait.

PilotDAR wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:01 pm

So, in a word, suck it up princess?

It's a choice, not an instruction. Some people have been dealt a very unfair hand in life, and may even be able to identify the dealer. My experience, for better or worse, is to play the best hand you can, without looking back [much].

I like the saying: "Fix the problem, not the blame". An airplane, a statue, a name of an institution were not the problem. "Fixing" them will not result in the problem being fixed.

For my own experience, if I think to blame someone for something, or think about an unpleasant event - I have to think back the the unpleasant event! As much as I can, I choose to not do that.

As I said, if someone cannot make that choice, they do have my sympathy, but they won't have my help in removing an inanimate object, only tangentially associated with the event.

Dar, I’m convinced many of them do not even know how to look forward or move forward.

You and I live near a huge city with unlimited mental health resources. They live in a place where the water doesn’t work right, and maybe everyone they have ever known went through abuse. This is why the addiction rates and youth suicide rates are so high on reserves.

They don’t know how to move on. Yeah it’s a necessary choice but it’s a really hard one. All I am saying.

Then add an exploitative media that is only looking for clickbait articles…really sad.

albertdesalvo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:35 pm

rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:28 pmBut the fact remains -- to this day -- No one gives a crap about the reserves or anyone there. That is a fact.

No one gives a crap about residential schools either. It was a hundred years ago.

Umm actually it was 1997. Grollier Hall in Inuvik.

I know people who have been to residential schools and even knew one fellow that ran one. It's an awfully tragic, complex, racist situation.

Anyways, the issue with this story is that the CBC takes a small number of people and extrapolates their silly views to an entire population - such as this story. When I lived in the arctic, guess what the favourite football team of the locals was? Yep, the Edmonton Eskimo's.

albertdesalvo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:35 pm No one gives a crap about residential schools either. It was a hundred years ago.

One of my wife's closest friends, of Cree lineage, narrowly escaped being sent to a residential school, because she was lucky enough to be adopted instead. She's in her early forties now, and several of her childhood friends were sent there, most of whom she never heard from again. Don't tell me this happened a century ago. This is very recent history, and your dismissal of it as ancient history speaks volumes about your ignorance of the problem - and more generally is a major reason why we're just now uncovering the harm that was done.

Bede wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:29 am Umm actually it was 1997. Grollier Hall in Inuvik.

I know people who have been to residential schools and even knew one fellow that ran one. It's an awfully tragic, complex, racist situation.

Exactly. Too may people are far too ignorant of it, either by lack of education on the matter, or by willful ignorance.

Everyone should visit a reserve at least once. Conditions are worse than in many developing countries I've been to. This is Canada. Then comments would be on point.


Course most people wouldn't have the guts to visit either a reserve or a developing country -- unless its behind the fencing of their all inclusive resort they are getting bombed at.-----

World is a bit more diverse than Toronto, Orlando and the all inclusive deal this year.

rookiepilot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 20, 2021 6:28 pm
But the fact remains -- to this day -- and I've been to several: No one gives a crap about the reserves or anyone there. That is a fact.

That's not entirely true. One way to check on how much one gives, is to follow the money. A lot of money is spent on reserves. Medevac is expensive. New schools and nursing stations are being built. As a native, you have access to a lot of programs to improve your life if you so desire. Greatly reduced (or free?) university for example.

What would you change if you were in charge?

I understand that a dark history of abuse can heavily affect ones future. On the other hand, I can't really see a working solution unless that solution comes from within the communities themselves. If you torch houses where your teachers live, if you sabotage medevac planes, if you give sub par housing to the people who didn't vote you in as chief,... then the situation will not improve.

Native people have been pushed into a victim role. To improve, that should stop. Support them with what they need, absolutely, but make it part of a plan or strategy as to how it could improve the situation.