KFC is starting a new passenger charter airline
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KFC is starting a new passenger charter airline
Yet another new airline... starting early 2022 with 737 NG's. HIring crew for Kelowna and Calgary.
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KF Aerospace is excited to announce the introduction of a new charter airline....YYJ_Jeff wrote: ↑Fri Dec 03, 2021 7:59 pm Yet another new airline... starting early 2022 with 737 NG's. HIring crew for Kelowna and Calgary.
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From their job ad:
"Hiring 737 F/O's with IATRA or Saron/Samra written."
Holy frick. Also gives you an idea what they're likely going to pay both seats.
"Hiring 737 F/O's with IATRA or Saron/Samra written."
Holy frick. Also gives you an idea what they're likely going to pay both seats.
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I would think that if they are operating on KF's OC that any pilots hired would become ALPA members and have to be paid by their current CBA no?
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Not sure you are making a fair assumption here. How does advertising the minimum requirements equate to the wage paid?
I worked for KF in the past and noting but a fair operation and I felt they looked after me very well as long as I did my job like it should be.
As industry members should be we not be happy there are more employment opportunities at this time, instead of casting a negative image?
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KF flight crews are part of ALAP and as such have a collective agreement and when I was last there it had a pay scale for their turboprop, narrow body and wide body jets. I can only assume that that is still in place as they are operating the CV580.
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Don't worry, no negativity towards KFC intended, they've always had a good rep.Bradley Tucker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:21 pmNot sure you are making a fair assumption here. How does advertising the minimum requirements equate to the wage paid?
I worked for KF in the past and noting but a fair operation and I felt they looked after me very well as long as I did my job like it should be.
As industry members should be we not be happy there are more employment opportunities at this time, instead of casting a negative image?
It's just a statement inferring from the ad. I've never seen a 73 position in North America with essentially a bare CPL requirement. Ever. So generally with pay commensurate with experience, they may be looking to trim labour by have less experienced crews. That old thing.....
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https://negotech.labour.gc.ca/eng/agree ... 84604a.pdfDanWEC wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 4:49 pmDon't worry, no negativity towards KFC intended, they've always had a good rep.Bradley Tucker wrote: ↑Sat Dec 04, 2021 1:21 pmNot sure you are making a fair assumption here. How does advertising the minimum requirements equate to the wage paid?
I worked for KF in the past and noting but a fair operation and I felt they looked after me very well as long as I did my job like it should be.
As industry members should be we not be happy there are more employment opportunities at this time, instead of casting a negative image?
It's just a statement inferring from the ad. I've never seen a 73 position in North America with essentially a bare CPL requirement. Ever. So generally with pay commensurate with experience, they may be looking to trim labour by have less experienced crews. That old thing.....
Here’s their agreement. The FO pay looks roughly on par with most companies. The captain pay caps out pretty low.
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That's pretty bad for the left seat and senior FO, but hey, it's better than Swoop!
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That contract expired about a year and a half ago.
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According to the alpa website they haven’t negotiated a new contract yet.
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Not defending Swoop wages but from that KFC document, 7 year narrow body captain at KFC makes about third year Swoop Captain.
7 year FO KFC about on par with third year Swoop FO, give or take 800. Using 2019 dates from the WJ/Swoop collective agreement to keep it fair since KFC ends in 2019 from what I can see. This is of course not adding per-diems and using 75 mmg for Swoop which I think they use.
Hopefully this is realized and both groups get a wage increase lol.
Lose != Loose
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I understand the desire to compare contracts. So be it. Am I the only one that thinks that 2022 is going to be absolute carnage in the airline industry? Insane expansion/ pilot hiring by airlines that are not even going to last a year only to either go bust or substantially contract.
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Yes, and we all here know that, and can see it coming. Unfortunately, the c-suite's and investors do not. For anyone, do yourself a favour and do your homework, have something to fall back on, because this musical chair game isn't over yet. If you want the PPC and a year of experience, have at 'er. If you're looking for stability, stick to where you're at or go the established companies.hithere wrote: ↑Sun Dec 05, 2021 5:22 pm I understand the desire to compare contracts. So be it. Am I the only one that thinks that 2022 is going to be absolute carnage in the airline industry? Insane expansion/ pilot hiring by airlines that are not even going to last a year only to either go bust or substantially contract.
As a note to the increased capacity from the companies I know of so far -
Numbers are the increase from 2019 to overall next few years or so:
Flair +40 ish
Porter +50
Transat +dozen or so
Lynx +46
Jetlines (lol) +15
OWG +4?
KFC +??
Westjet ??
Swoop??
Air Canada ??
Feel free to add or correct.
As you can see, that's unsustainable capacity for Canada, and given the never-ending travel restrictions and covid which is going to stay for years to come.
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As you wrote, this is a pipe dream.330heavy wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:20 am
Yes, and we all here know that, and can see it coming. Unfortunately, the c-suite's and investors do not. For anyone, do yourself a favour and do your homework, have something to fall back on, because this musical chair game isn't over yet. If you want the PPC and a year of experience, have at 'er. If you're looking for stability, stick to where you're at or go the established companies.
As a note to the increased capacity from the companies I know of so far -
Numbers are the increase from 2019 to overall next few years or so:
Flair +40 ish
Porter +50
Transat +dozen or so
Lynx +46
Jetlines (lol) +15
OWG +4?
KFC +??
Westjet ??
Swoop??
Air Canada ??
Feel free to add or correct.
As you can see, that's unsustainable capacity for Canada, and given the never-ending travel restrictions and covid which is going to stay for years to come.
Canada’s population is stable to decreasing (relies on immigration for repopulation).
There is no ‘increasing’ intra-domestic demand, even pre-COVID. Increased capacity to sun destinations? Good luck. Lots of capacity available already on these routes from TS/SW/AC/WJ. AC had a dramatic international destination plan in place pre-COVID. Whete is that at now?
This “fly it and they will come” philosophy is a joke. Just like $99 fares.
The current players aren’t going away, and aren’t going to back down. New entrants will be flushing investor $$ down the toilet.
Just pull up a chair and grab some popcorn. It will be an interesting watch.
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There actually is an increase in the number of passengers using air travel in Canada, and the ULCCs are the ones driving that expansion. Milenials and immigrants are buying tickets to fly in larger and larger numbers, and as their earning increases, some of them will move to higher fares with the legacy carriers for one reason or another. More people are flying more places (covid aside) and the growth is mostly in the ULCC fare market.rudder wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 7:43 am
There is no ‘increasing’ intra-domestic demand, even pre-COVID. Increased capacity to sun destinations? Good luck. Lots of capacity available already on these routes from TS/SW/AC/WJ. AC had a dramatic international destination plan in place pre-COVID. Whete is that at now?
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AC and WJ swapping domestic inventory from mainline to Rouge/Swoop is not an increase in travellers. It is the same travellers either choosing or being forced in to a different product.co-joe wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 9:11 am
There actually is an increase in the number of passengers using air travel in Canada, and the ULCCs are the ones driving that expansion. Milenials and immigrants are buying tickets to fly in larger and larger numbers, and as their earning increases, some of them will move to higher fares with the legacy carriers for one reason or another. More people are flying more places (covid aside) and the growth is mostly in the ULCC fare market.
Statistics indicate that increase in domestic travel pre-COVID was nominal. But don’t let that stop anyone from trying.
Canada’s population is less than the state of California. And that is not changing. But perhaps charging less than bus fare for an airline ticket will in fact stimulate more millennials and immigrants to travel…….you cannot possibly be serious in that assessment of the target demographic for ULCC? Let’s just call it VFR traffic (visiting friends and relatives).
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Exactly. It is a farce. These characters are all trying to catch a falling knife. It has all been done before and they keep on trying the same thing hoping for a different outcome. Have fun.
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One positive comment from Palebird. Ever.
Sit back and have a nice sip of scotch dude.
We are all hangry in Canada. Be happy there are more 705 positions and we can go from there.
If you want to complain about Canadian expansion, at least give us a reason why new companies/expansion is bad, not just “this is crap and they will fail”.
It has no context when every comment is the same.
You seem informed. Give us the goods.
Sit back and have a nice sip of scotch dude.
We are all hangry in Canada. Be happy there are more 705 positions and we can go from there.
If you want to complain about Canadian expansion, at least give us a reason why new companies/expansion is bad, not just “this is crap and they will fail”.
It has no context when every comment is the same.
You seem informed. Give us the goods.
You're not drunk if you can lie on the floor without holding on
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So it's good.... but they drag flight prices down to the point of going bankrupt and have shit pay but hey more '' 705 '' positions! It's goodbezerker wrote: ↑Mon Dec 06, 2021 4:02 pm One positive comment from Palebird. Ever.
Sit back and have a nice sip of scotch dude.
We are all hangry in Canada. Be happy there are more 705 positions and we can go from there.
If you want to complain about Canadian expansion, at least give us a reason why new companies/expansion is bad, not just “this is crap and they will fail”.
It has no context when every comment is the same.
You seem informed. Give us the goods.
When a 12 year FO on the 737 earns the same as a junior (2-3 year) captain on a Q400... Or when a 12 year FO on the 737 earns the same as a year 3 narrow body FO at an established major.